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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,926 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Jan 2014 - 07:05 Post title : Data acquisition from OBD2 port | | | This is for those of us who haven't gone the TuneECU route and primarily want to retrieve data and troubleshoot rather than mess with or modify tunes. Think of it as a digital chicken stripe.
Near as I can tell (and I'm hoping someone here will correct me if mistaken) Triumph uses the ISO 15765-4 (CAN) standard OBD2 - right? Not sure what that means, but it was a question I ran across researching this nonsense, and that is as close to the answer as I could find.
Getting sensor info from the T-Bird to a computer or handheld device is a two-part problem: Hardware (cable, Bluetooth or Wifi gizmo), and software for device/platform. Starting with software, the two dominant mobile categories are Android and iPhone. And some of these apps run on OSX or Windows computers. In other words, I'm trying to track down info that might be useful to all, so help me out here and add to the list!
There's a lot of crossover between apps and gizmos and it gets pretty confusing in a hurry. Apparent trends are these: ELM-chips appear to be gaining ground on the gizmo front, in particular the current ELM327-equipped BT and Wifi transmitters. (Cables have chipsets too, BTW.) Some vendors either have proprietary chipsets or aren't saying, so looking at the software side of things may fill in some gaps. A search of eBay for "EML327" turned up 3,750 USB, BT and Wifi units, most in the $10-20USD range. Those companies trying to promote proprietary devices are typically $100-$150USD and up, but it remains to be seen what benefit comes from the extra expense. On the other hand, $20 for a device that refuses to connect is no bargain.
So here are a few app/gizmo combos I've found so far:
GoPoint Utilities (free, Android or iPhone) for use with GoPoint GL1 cable (discontinued?) or GoPoint BT1 Bluetooth device (Android $150, Apple $120). GoPoint app is pretty limited and GoPoint recommends using DashCommand with their sending units. Unknown what chipset GoPoint uses, but I suspect it's ELM judging by DashCommand specs.....
Web site = https://gopoint-technology.mybigcommerce.com/products/
DashCommand ($10 for Android or iPhone) requires "ELM compatible" Wifi device or GoPoint's GL1 cable/BT1 Bluetooth. Good reviews, one of the first and best OBD2 apps. I have DashCommand and the GL1 cable, they work very well together (but I'd like to ditch the cable and go to wireless).
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Movi ($40 iPhone and Mac) or Movi Pro ($60 iPhone and Mac) which claims to work with ELM327-chip devices via USB cable, BT and/or Wifi. Brand new app, no reviews to speak of as yet but the app looks promising. Free download to test compatibility with ELM devices you may have. Might have to try this one.
Web site = https://www.yhasi.com/products/movi.php
BlueDriver (free, iPhone) only works with $100 BlueDriver BT device (according to web site, no info about chipset), decent reviews
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OBD2 Scanner ($5 iPhone) requires ELM327 Wifi (no BT). From description in iTunes store: "Specially tested on cheap Chinese Wifi scanners." Overwhelmingly bad reviews.
(no web site, info from iTunes store)
iOBD2 (free demo, $20 iPhone and Android) description in broken english, it allegedly requires their own iOBD2 BT/Wifi device ($73 from China). Overwhelmingly bad reviews.
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OBD Fusion from OCTech ($10 iPhone and Android) requires ELM327 Wifi device (no mention of BT) OBD2 and EOBD compliant, apparently no CAN data (?). Good reviews.
Other OCTech products should interest Windows users: TouchScan ($34 + $40 add-ons for Windows only, free trial version) uses ELM327 via USB, BT, Wifi, supports ISO 15765(CAN) and J1850 protocols. They also sell Windows-only sending units of all three types (said to be hack-proof and 3-4x faster than competitors), looks like very sophisticated software.
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Bluetooth (BT) has a theoretical range of up to 50 feet, but 25-30 is probably a more accurate real-world estimate.
Wifi range is a good 150 yards barring interference/obstacles.
Cable is the most secure data transfer but a hassle to use.
Security is an issue anytime you put anything on a wireless network, including cars, trucks and our bikes. How much fun would it be to sit on an overpass with a notebook and see how many vehicles you can hack into and shut down? It's bound to happen, especially on a Wifi network. BT, with its limited range, seems a bit more secure to me since you'll be long gone before pairing can take place, so BT is the way I plan to go - with an ELM327 unit (especially since there's a computer about 12 feet from where my bike is kept).
So there you have it, the short list I (for one) will be adding to soon, along with actual test results. Hope others will chime in, too.
Question: Does anybody know if the OBD2 port still receives power when ignition is off?
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Jan 2014 - 19:56 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: MotorMac) | | | Don't know if this will help ya or not,but here goes. The "CAN" means "Clean Air Network",and to the best of my knowledge,used only on OBDIII systems.Our scooters,along with most of the foreign made vehicles,are second gen,or OBDII systems,96 production year, thru present. [My 2014 Toyota uses an OBDII system] The OBD means "On Board Diagnostics" and the I,II,or III means, first,second or third, generation.As a rule of thumb OBDI , II or III ,depending on what year your vehicle is,79-95-OBDI,96-06-OBDII,and 07 up,OBDIII,all use an ALDL [Assembly Line Diagnostic Link] connector under the dash of the automobile/truck and I believe the right side cover on the Tbird.ODBII and III use the same connector.OBDI uses different connectors,depending on the make/model of the vehicle in question.
In order to retrieve information from said system,you need a scan tool which gives ya a code and sometimes what said code means.Other times,you'll need a SM to decifer just what the codes mean.On the III gen system,you can down load [flash] updates into the system,but I'm not sure about the eariler I and II gen systems.
As far as being able to shut a OBD system down from a remote location,that,I don't know.As far as using your I POD/PAD/cell phone,that I don't know either.When the vehicle is running well,I leave it alone.It's too easy to get into trouble and screw the system up if ya DON'T know exactly what you're doin.
And I am NOT and never claimed to be an "EXPERT" on ANYTHING,except fuckin things up.lol THAT,I do REAL WELL!! 
Hope this info helps!!! Dave!!!
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,926 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Jan 2014 - 21:32 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: davetac1) | | | Dave, we learn from our mistakes. Which only means we've become very wise over the years, right? ;-)
Good news for 'Droid owners, not so good for iOS.....
Hot setup on Android appears to be:
Torque ($5) available here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.prowl.torque&hl=en
Torque web site: Link Torque comparison of BT units ($60-$200): Link Or, there's the OCTech software/device combo Link including their $120-200 scanner.
Apple handheld iGizmos (sigh) apparently do not allow BT pairing, although I found a French "jailbreak" app that claims to open BT port by doing an end run around the iOS. If you're up to hacking your iThingy here ya go: Link I guess those of us with iGizmos are limited to (longer-range) Wifi, which moves security concerns to front/center.
I've heard CAN = Clean Air Network, but I think it might properly be Controller Area Network, and I don't think OBD3 has been implemented yet. I'm sure there will be hell to pay when it is. (Same port as OBD2, yes.) Among other things, OBD3 might allow a mileage tax, force you to make prompt repairs (you'll be fined if you don't), prevent any/all vehicle modifications, and track EVERYTHING. If this is on a wireless network, they could scan you as you drive by and send fines thru the mail. (Here in CA, of course, that won't be enough so CA will have to supersede federal regs with more.) And if you tamper with it you'll just automatically be screwed.
"The roadside reader has been tested by the California Air Resources Board (CARB) since 1994. It is capable of reading eight lanes of bumper-to-bumper traffic at 100 miles per hour. It can be used from a fixed location with portable units or a mobile unit. If a fault is detected by a reader unit, it has the capability of sending the vehicle identification number (VIN) plus the fault codes to the regulator." By "regulator" they mean police.
Scan tools or scanners, yes, I suppose that's more accurate than calling 'em "gizmos" or "dongles." While the GL1 cable I bought long ago from GoPoint works just fine with iPod Touch and Palmer's DashCommand app, a wireless scanner would be much better - as long as it goes OFF with ignition and is secure (no different than any other wireless device/router). Most apps include error code translations. Palmer also has an interesting device that allows you to create your own instrument cluster on a screen called DashLogic: Link
Off to find a Wifi scanner.....
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| | | PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Jan 2014 - 22:57 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: MotorMac) | | | Excellent and informative summary, MotorMac! Thanks, much.
And you are quite right about CAN; always was and still is "Controller Area Network", a hardware standard and message protocol for communicating to devices on a serial bus and adopted by OBD2. It's been around a long time; I used it on several commercial projects I worked on [many] years ago.
I recently bought an OBD-II cable for use with TuneECU, Link dirt cheap at $20 and uses the FTDI chipset. After reading your post, downloaded the demo version of DashCommand and will try it out. 
| 2013 Blue Marble Haze Thunderbird 1600 ABS
2009 Black Bonneville A1 ("Mag")
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Jan 2014 - 23:14 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: MotorMac) | | | OBDIII has "INFACT"been around and used on American made cars and trucks since 07.And I believe you're correct on the "CAN" definition,"CONTROLLER AREA NETWORK".I've confused those two CAN def's in the past.Tough to get old. Atleast I got the NETWORK part right.  Told ya I wasn't very bright!! Believe me now???  Dave!!!
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,926 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 06 Jan 2014 - 03:40 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | | Thank you, PapaSmurf! (What is going on in your avatar?!)
Cable to iPhone had a chipset in it, I assume Android does too. A USB cable goes to computer, not sure if DashCommand operates on a computer or just handhelds, but we'll both know soon, huh.
Been at this for hours, gotta say - Wow, whatta mess! One iPhone app has a web site showing their domain name expired on the 1st - wanna buy it? (Couldda got a freebie and sold their domain back to 'em, too!) Zillions of identical cheap, possibly flaky Chinese copies of a German wireless scanner (original doesn't appear on eBay), some interesting new/untested app/scanner combos, but - for now - down to these:
First the cheap clones flooding eBay, next a no-name model with on/off switch, then the iCar2 Wifi for iPhone and the Vgate (German pun?) for iOS and Android. iCar2 and Vgate both look promising, but the iOBD2 scanner below got my $75US bucks:
Rather than try to accommodate both iOS and Android in one box, they've made individual units for each (plus special ones for VW and BMW). Made in China, these come from an XTool vendor in CA. Site has lots of interesting info, including the graphic I stole below that even _I_ can understand.
I'll post with results when gizmo - I mean, scanner - arrives.
As for OBD3 in the US (not to be confused with the European version), I'm not finding much except:
Wikipedia: Link
Feds: https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2012/10/15/2012-21972/2017-and-later-model-year-light-duty-vehicle-greenhouse-gas-emissions-and-corporate-average-fuel
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| | | Dougl | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 13/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 544 | | Location | : | Reno, Nevada, United States |
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| | Posted : 06 Jan 2014 - 14:41 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: MotorMac) | | | Do these things actually interpret stuff read from the ECU for a Triumph or are such things universal. What more would you get that you don't get from Tuneecu? Which give codes and what they mean?
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,926 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 06 Jan 2014 - 17:59 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: Dougl) | | | If anything, these are a big step back from TuneECU in that they are read-only. Most will let you clear trouble codes and reset "check engine" light (MIL), but that's all. They use OBD2 standards from 1996+ for all vehicles, including 3000+ trouble codes.
Scanner sends info from sensors - speed, rpm, fuel level/pressure, coolant temp, air flow/temp, throttle position, O2 sensor, manifold pressure, timing, load - along with any pending or present trouble codes (DTCs).
Software apps manage scanner output by interpreting DTCs for you (if present), and presenting real-time readout - analog gauges or digital displays on your phone - that are customizable to some degree. Some apps record trip data for review or "track day" info.
It's a mix and match proposition between vehicle, scanner, app and phone/device. I have a hunch it will take some trial and error to find the best combination to suit the T-Bird, might be interesting given our (apparently) non-standard pinout:
iOBD2 scanner web site in the UK: Link
Ah yes, thanks Ted, forgot that ABS has additional sensors. That might make a difference in OBD2 port pins, or maybe pins 1 and 9 are both ground? Haven't found a pinout for this connector in our manual yet, might be in circuit diagrams. (DTCs are in Fuel section, 10-30.)
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| | | TedBuck | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 40 | | Location | : | Port Colborne, Ontario, Canada |
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| | Posted : 06 Jan 2014 - 20:09 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: MotorMac) | | |
MotorMac wrote:
It's a mix and match proposition between vehicle, scanner, app and phone/device. I have a hunch it will take some trial and error to find the best combination to suit the T-Bird, might be interesting given our (apparently) non-standard pinout:
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Looks like even within Tbirds there's some variation.
My 2012 1600 ABS has pins 1, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 14 & 16
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| | | PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 07 Jan 2014 - 04:54 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: TedBuck) | | |
TedBuck wrote:
Looks like even within Tbirds there's some variation.
My 2012 1600 ABS has pins 1, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 14 & 16
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Just checked the connector on my 2013 1600 ABS; there's a lot of dielectric grease in there but looks to me like all pins are present in the connector. I've got a Service Manual for a 2009, which has so far been identical to my 2013 and it shows the same pins in the schematic you're seeing in your 2012.
| 2013 Blue Marble Haze Thunderbird 1600 ABS
2009 Black Bonneville A1 ("Mag")
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| | | Birdy68 | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,352 | | Location | : | Bad Zurzach, Aargau, Switzerland |
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| | Posted : 07 Jan 2014 - 10:21 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: MotorMac) | | | I use the Bluetooth sender that you showed:
paired to the Android 'Torque' App :
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Leave the pork pies for now - get the sausage rolls while they're hot!
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more info at Fuelly.com
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| | | Linkdog | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,995 | | Location | : | Groveland, FL., United States |
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| | Posted : 07 Jan 2014 - 17:24 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: Birdy68) | | | Why not use Tuneecu to check the data? You don't have to change anything.
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,926 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 09 Jan 2014 - 20:03 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: Birdy68) | | | Quick update: iOBD2 unit arrived, plugged in and connected via Wifi network. Answers a few questions.
1. Is OBD port powered with ignition off? YES. That presents an obvious problem..... Key off, iPod immediately found "iOBD2" network. Palmer's DashCommand sees it, too, have to go thru settings yet.
2. Security: Device does not seem to require a password and would thus appear on any Wifi network within range right out of the box. This is without benefit of any manufacturer software (haven't downloaded that yet), so jury is still out on security.
3. Readout in real time = yes (officially discouraged as a distraction).
4. Mounting: OBD plug under LH side panel has its own clip-on retainer spot-welded to frame bracket; this clip becomes useless with iOBD2 unit plugged in, so some sort of mounting/retainer is necessary. Would be nice to use existing clip somehow (without modifying clip). I'll think of something.....
Thank you Birdy for confirming that the ELM327/Android/Torque combo operates as advertised. ;-) That particular scanner/sending unit got mixed reviews apparently related to vendor/source, suggesting some work, some don't.
On Mac/iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch (using iOBD2 scanner from Xtool):
iOBD2 on Wifi network pops up instantly on all Apple devices (Mac Wifi/Airport menu and Prefs, handhelds in Settings).
iOBD2 Wifi network has no password or security.
Software:
Palmer's DashCommand works perfectly, just as it did when connected by cable instead of Wifi. Allows manual config of added (custom) PIDs, manual (and proper) config for unknown vehicles (which apparently means all motorcycles and generic OBD2), does pending, present and past codes, nicely done and easy to use, remains my app of choice.
Xtool provides free software for its iOBD2 scanner (actually two apps), but while app indicates a connection it is prevented from operating by a screen stating that connection is necessary to allow operation.
Rev2Lite and Rev Rev2Lite version doesn't actually connect or operate beyond an entertaining accelerometer, near as I can tell. The $40US Rev app hasn't been supported since 2010. (Untested.) Link
Movi Pro (Pronounced w/long O, like Moby): Downloaded demo, refuses to connect (w/timeout) from a Mac, even with proper IP and port settings. It might be restricted to use with Movi scanner or does not read ELM327. Very new app, might get sorted out eventually, but for now I got - ready? - Movi dick.
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,926 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 11 Jan 2014 - 01:26 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: TedBuck) | | | Pin 1 is indeed the ABS connection. Here's the pinout for this connector, direct from Triumph 2010 service manuals (2).
Agrees with PapaSmurf's pinout exactly, color codes and all. Small numbers (22, A24, B27, etc.) are pins on ECM.
Pin 16 is on same power bus as alarm and auxiliary and is always live.
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| | | TedBuck | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 40 | | Location | : | Port Colborne, Ontario, Canada |
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| | Posted : 11 Jan 2014 - 19:02 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: MotorMac) | | |  Thanks for this MotorMac. I have a pdf of a shop manual but searching it for OBD or PINOUT yielded zero results, and the only reference to a diagnostic connector is some brief text about where the connector is located and how to stow it. No diagram or pin descripition, and a statement that only dealers can download the software necessary to acquire and analyze the data available at the connector. I'll have to ask my dealer if I can buy a proper service manual from him!
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,926 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 11 Jan 2014 - 19:32 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: TedBuck) | | | If you look for "Diagnostic Connector" in circuit diagrams 18.32 - 18.40, you'll see pin 16 (+) in first diagram, other pins from ECM in next diagrams and pin 1 (ABS) in the last diagram. I couldn't find a specific pinout in my manuals, either.
As to getting a manual from your dealer, hate to say it but I think answer will be 'no.' That's what I got from Triumph. Bought an excellent printed manual from an eBay vendor specializing in hard-copy manuals, and got a PDF version on CD, too. Would love to get a parts book, but I think that's online and dealer-only.
BTW: iOBD2 scanner and Palmer's DashCommand is a good combo for iPhone/Android. Leaving scanner attached is not an option (power drain), but will be a valuable addition to tool kit. Cheaper ELM327 scanners probably work, too. Still looking for Mac software that will read scanner, but only candidate found so far isn't ready for prime time.....
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| | | TedBuck | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 40 | | Location | : | Port Colborne, Ontario, Canada |
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| | Posted : 11 Jan 2014 - 20:18 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: MotorMac) | | | Ahh, OK - I thought the graphic you posted was a scan from a hardcopy manual that you have. You're right - scanner and smart phone software will be great additions to the toolbox!
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Jan 2014 - 23:52 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: davetac1) | | |
davetac1 wrote:
OBDIII has "INFACT"been around and used on American made cars and trucks since 07.And I believe you're correct on the "CAN" definition,"CONTROLLER AREA NETWORK".I've confused those two CAN def's in the past.Tough to get old. Atleast I got the NETWORK part right. Told ya I wasn't very bright!! Believe me now??? Dave!!!
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Gentlemen: Please allow me to make a correction on my comment regarding the OBDIII system.You were correct.OBDIII is NOT out.The system I was thinkin about is the OBDII+ CAN,which has sometimes been referred to as OBDIII,which I misunderstood.So we have the original OBD,OBDII,and now,OBDII+CAN.That question came up today in alittle discussion we were having.So my appologies gentlemen.I was wrong, and you were right. Carry on gentlemen! Dummy Dave!!! DUH!!
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| | | Daycruiser | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/11/2011 | | Posts | : | 704 | | Location | : | Garner, NC, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Jan 2014 - 00:04 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: davetac1) | | |
davetac1 wrote:
Gentlemen: Please allow me to make a correction on my comment regarding the OBDIII system.You were correct.OBDIII is NOT out.The system I was thinkin about is the OBDII+ CAN,which has sometimes been referred to as OBDIII,which I misunderstood.So we have the original OBD,OBDII,and now,OBDII+CAN.That question came up today in alittle discussion we were having.So my appologies gentlemen.I was wrong, and you were right. Carry on gentlemen! Dummy Dave!!! DUH!! |
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Now if we could just get him to admit that Dino oil bad, Synthetic Oil Good and all tires are created equal we'd really have something!!
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Jan 2014 - 00:28 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: Daycruiser) | | | Now you're pushin your luck regarding oil and tires!!  Dave!!!
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,926 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Jan 2014 - 01:11 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: davetac1) | | | Oh, don't worry Dave, it'll be here soon enough. Then tune mods and the like will be nothing but a fond memory. Dino oil too, I reckon. ;-) and we'll all have airless tires.....
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Jan 2014 - 01:47 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: MotorMac) | | | The part I particularly like about this newest technology is the stealer's ability to download "FLASH or UPGRADE" a particular sensor, for a mere $129.00 AMERICAN, per flash.[It only takes a minute or so to do] Now they can TRULY be called what they really are,"STEALERS""THEIVES" and or "BANDITS". Take your pick.And if the MC industry hasn't done it already,[I think they have] they too will be stickin it to us.I just love technology,don't you??   Dave!!!
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Jan 2014 - 22:04 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: davetac1) | | | davetac1 wrote:
OBDIII has "INFACT"been around and used on American made cars and trucks since 07.And I believe you're correct on the "CAN" definition,"CONTROLLER AREA NETWORK".I've confused those two CAN def's in the past.Tough to get old. Atleast I got the NETWORK part right. Told ya I wasn't very bright!! Believe me now??? Dave!!!
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I recently found and purchased an SM for the wife's motor vehicle which I bought brandy new for her three years ago.Up until recently,SM's were unavailable cause the car manufacturers had cornered the market,forcing everyone buying a new vehicle to bring it to the dealership for service,which in effect,hurt the small independent repair facilities,as well as guys like myself, limiting the amount of service that could be performed on said vehicle.Well,that's all changed now.Anyways,while reading about these now available SM's, the later OBDII+CAN system was mentioned by definition.
In this thread,we were discussing CAN and what it meant.I thought it meant "CLEAN AIR NETWORK".Motor Mac thought it meant "CONTROLLED AREA NETWORK". Well,it appears we were both wrong.According to what I was reading pertaining to the SM's,it stands for " COMPUTER AREA NETWORK".So we were both close,but NO CIGAR.lol
Not that it's any big deal,but it's always good to know the correct terminology for what we're working on. Dave!!
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| | Posted : 15 Jan 2014 - 22:38 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: davetac1) | | | I think MotorMac has it right: Link
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,926 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Jan 2014 - 22:52 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: davetac1) | | | "SM" means Sado Masochism, right? ;-)
Wow, last few posts went wonky - what happened?
Dave my friend, I'm going by manual's definition:
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 16 Jan 2014 - 02:40 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: MotorMac) | | | I believe ya Mac and meant no disrespect.But like yourself,I too read this definition on the site where I bought my SM from,this very afternoon.So we atleast have this down to TWO definitions.lol And now that I see the little clip you posted,I suspect that both def's may be correct.But one thing we can both be sure of,CAN is CAN.lol Agreed??? Dave!!!
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,926 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 16 Jan 2014 - 03:07 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: davetac1) | | | Yes, it is, at least until it's CANT!
Sooo many acronyms, makes my head spin. All time fav is TWAIN, an old scanner/graphic format that actually stands for "Technology Without An Interesting Name" (true). Worst name ever is Bluetooth. Absolutely meaningless. So now that we know what CAN stands for, whathahell does it mean?!
Appears that certain vehicles scan all manner of sensors to notify driver if a marker light goes out or a door is ajar. (Remember the talking ones? Thank Heaven that went away quick, don't need my bike raggin' on me.) Anyway, I don't think our ECMs care about lights and such - I KNOW they don't care about doors - apparently they don't monitor the cat box or much beyond engine ops and O2, which is just fine by me.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 16 Jan 2014 - 03:48 Post title : Re: Data acquisition from OBD2 port (Re: MotorMac) | | | All I can tell ya Mac is,I've been in this business LONG before this computer shit came out.I grew up with the old flat head 6,8,and V12
motors with 6 volt electrical systems. I've worked in the trade for well over 50 years,read books and gone to school to keep up with the computer controlled technology.And then the manufacturers add somethin new to the system which confuses the shit out of everyone.However, the scan tool I have does it all ,including CAN and motorcycles,and cost half of what the TBird costs.But without it,I'd be dead in the water.So we'll just have to grow with these computer controlled vehicles,which now include motorcycles.There has to be a light at the end of the tunnel.I just can't see it. Dave!!!
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