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| HooRad | | Set |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 19/01/2010 | | Posts | : | 280 | | Location | : | Richmond, VA, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Mar 2010 - 01:55 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: Thatch) | | | I too have a good bit of oxidation on my wheels too. I must say that I've only had the bike for two months and haven't ridden in the rain. I've been pretty good about cleaning the bike after most rides. And they're still there! This is really a problem. I bought some Mother's Mag & Aluminum Wheel and went to work - for an hour and a half. On the front wheel only. Now this is not my idea of fun. I did take before and after pictures and you can see improvement, but not a whole lot considering i worked on it for 90 minutes! Has anyone gotten any satisfaction from Triumph on this issue? Any other tips that won't give my tendonitis?
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| erey | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/04/2009 | | Posts | : | 100 | | Location | : | Bulle, FR, Switzerland |
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| | Posted : 15 Mar 2010 - 06:07 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: HooRad) | | | Sorry to say that but Triumph UK (factory) doesn't agree to take this under the warranty for me.
Triumph Switzerland was more comprehensible. They take the cost to polish the wheels.
I have now the chrome wheels to avoid this.
More and more customers will be not very happy with this kind of problem.
Here in Switzerland, we don't have a lot of possibility to open a class action 
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| Birdy68 | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,352 | | Location | : | Bad Zurzach, Aargau, Switzerland |
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| | Posted : 15 Mar 2010 - 08:24 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: erey) | | |
erey wrote:
Sorry to say that but Triumph UK (factory) doesn't agree to take this under the warranty for me.
Triumph Switzerland was more comprehensible. They take the cost to polish the wheels.
I have now the chrome wheels to avoid this.
More and more customers will be not very happy with this kind of problem.
Here in Switzerland, we don't have a lot of possibility to open a class action
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Hi Erey,
I too have the Chrome wheels, simply because:
1) They look good
2) To try and prevent as much of that corrosion as possible!
I was thinking (talking with the garage) about having my stock wheels power coated - black, with the outer edges polished Alu - then clear lack coated for finishing!
Don't know what that would cost - but it's a thought that is in my head since a long time.
BUT - on the other hand - I have the old Tiger that I ride around with when it's salty and wet... 
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 15 Mar 2010 - 10:00 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: Birdy68) | | | During the winter I have a purple spray that I just spray all over the bike (I will post the name of it) after a wash and dry, it leaves a thin film on everything, brakes - the lot. It is water based so comes of with the next wash. I also use Fuchs Off , spray it all over and it froths up, a quick soft brush allover and rinse off ( do not use a pressure washer). I allways rinse the bike off after a ride with tap water , this gets most of the crud off and leave to dry outside in fresh air. Putting a bike away wet into a nice warm garage or shed is deadly. OH - and if you run out of wash n wax dont use household bubbly stuff (washing up liquid etc.) they all contain salt.
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| EnGage | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Mar 2010 - 12:17 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: HooRad) | | | I wish I could understand what is happening. I've had my Bird since last June. I ride rain or shine and have ridden a lot lately - through the spring thaw (wet and salt) and have had no issues. could it be the tap water itself?
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| Thatch | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Mar 2010 - 12:24 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: EnGage) | | | I was going to say something about me just not being anal retentive enough to care about little spots on my bike, after all it's to be ridden not stared at and you don't see spots while the wheels are moving..... then I remembered that I took the times to go around the tire and pluck off all the rubber 'hairs' that you all still have on your bikes and thought that perhaps I really didn't know what I was talking about.
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 15 Mar 2010 - 13:41 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: Thatch) | | | Could be the tap water, maybe its the stuff the government put in to stop us rebelling thats rotting our Birds. I dont really want to get too anal about the cleaning but when it comes to changing to a newer one the dealer (or tyre kicker) is going to want to knock a whole wedge of money if the wheels look tatty.
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| EnGage | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Mar 2010 - 21:46 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: Thatch) | | | Thatch wrote:
g..... then I remembered that I took the times to go around the tire and pluck off all the rubber 'hairs' that you all still have on your bikes and thought that perhaps I really didn't know what I was talking about. |
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Thatch,
OMG, I didn't know it had gotten to that point. There's a twelve-step program for rubber pluckers. Remember, we are all here for you brother ...
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| HooRad | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 19/01/2010 | | Posts | : | 280 | | Location | : | Richmond, VA, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Mar 2010 - 22:20 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: EnGage) | | | So I spent another hour trying to get the spots off. This is killing me! At first I took a naked Brillo with some WD-40 on a spot and immediately saw a little scratching so I stopped. I then shifted back to Mother's and made a little more progress. Still, though, it's freaking ridiculous that it comes to this. So far I've spent about 3 hours, on the front wheel only, mind you, and it's only 50% better.  How to get the rest off without giving myself wrist and elbow tendonitis? I don't know why this bothers me so much. Maybe Thatch and I can get a group discount on the rubber pluckers 12 step program?
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| Birdy68 | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 16/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,352 | | Location | : | Bad Zurzach, Aargau, Switzerland |
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| | Posted : 16 Mar 2010 - 04:41 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: HooRad) | | |
HooRad wrote:
.... How to get the rest off without giving myself wrist and elbow tendonitis? I don't know why this bothers me so much. Maybe Thatch and I can get a group discount on the rubber pluckers 12 step program? |
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OK - seriously - can you not try using a 'buffer' pad in a drill? You know - high speed (get things a little warmer) polishing?
Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree! Maybe I'm just barking mad?!? 
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| BaltoThunder | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 43 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 16 Mar 2010 - 20:07 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: HooRad) | | | I just finished about 4 hours with a buff ball in a drill and the back is still plenty bad. For the life of me, I can't figure why they would use uncoated polished aluminum rims. Do they not use salt for winter driving on that side of the pond?
My solution, not gonna worry about it. I'll continue to buff them every month or two with my regular maintainence. If it bothers me too much, I'll save up for chrome.
Now, anybody got any ideas on what to use to get the scratches out of the really soft paint?
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| weatherman | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 19/02/2009 | | Posts | : | 232 | | Location | : | Vista, Ca, United States |
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| | Posted : 17 Mar 2010 - 03:14 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: BaltoThunder) | | | We need an easy way to pick up our Bikes - Front and Rear - so we can spin the wheels as we wash and dry them.
I don't have a problem that I can see yet but have noticed that even after working at it while washing the bike, I can never get all the water off.
For me, here in SoCal, the tap water is so concentrated with Salts that you can't drink it without getting more thirsty after. Typically we don't see salt
being put on the roads here but in the south we still have salt issues.
I will be using car wax on the wheels often.
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Get out and ride that Bird.
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| EnGage | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 17 Mar 2010 - 14:23 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: weatherman) | | | I think I will be getting one of these for my birthday: Link If so, I'll be able to report back next week.
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| HooRad | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 19/01/2010 | | Posts | : | 280 | | Location | : | Richmond, VA, United States |
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| | Posted : 17 Mar 2010 - 17:10 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: weatherman) | | |
weatherman wrote:
We need an easy way to pick up our Bikes - Front and Rear - so we can spin the wheels as we wash and dry them.
I don't have a problem that I can see yet but have noticed that even after working at it while washing the bike, I can never get all the water off. |
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A leaf blower will supposedly work to help dry the wheels and the bike. It may stir up some dust though, so be careful. Anyone try it? I have yet to.
And as a followup, I talked to the dealer near Richmond about the wheels and they told me they had heard about the wheel problem and were surprised how much spotting I had by 500 miles. They were going to look into it to see if there was anything they could do to help me out. I really am thinking about powdercoating them though.
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| mustang66man | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 20/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 100 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Mar 2010 - 18:23 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: HooRad) | | | To throw in my 2 cents worth. Yes some of city water we us to wash our bikes is full of minerals and other stuff to corrode your wheels. I use mothers billet polish which I love, but I've only had to use it a couple of times. The other thing I do is wash my bike with the Mr. Clean washing system which allows me to rinse it off with a spot free dionized water. Blow the whole bike dry with my leaf blower and I'm done. My wheels still look great.
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 20 Mar 2010 - 18:54 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: mustang66man) | | | Amazing !! we will drink the stuff but not rinse our bikes off with it.
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| mad_angler1 | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 18/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 511 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 20 Mar 2010 - 19:40 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: mat1600) | | | It's down to the grade of alluminium used by the manufacture of the wheels, remember all metals especially alluminium and copper are extreamely expensive at the moment in Europe, moslty due to the far east taking as much as can be produced, the rockets wheels go the same, Triumph have chosen them based on a price point, if they used more exsensive stock it would just put the price of the bike up,
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| mad_angler1 | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 511 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 20 Mar 2010 - 22:00 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: mad_angler1) | | | rite i have been reading into aluminium corrosion, from what i have read what we are seeing is perfectly normal for unprotected aluminium, basically the oxidisation we are seeing on the surface is the protection layer building up, from reading tap water could certianly be the cause of some of the problems depending on the ph and its content, not only that the best protection would be antifreeze,
see the below i have taken from a few websites,
Natural Corrosion Resistance of Aluminum
Pure aluminum is corrosion-resistant due to its natural tendency to form a very thin, protective, hydrated aluminum oxide film on surfaces exposed to air. Comprised of a thin inner barrier layer and a thicker, more permeable outer layer, this oxide film measures only about 2.5 nm in thickness on new metal and thickens gradually with age.
When unoxidized aluminum is immersed in pure water, it will form a white hydroxide film, which remains more or less constant in thickness once equilibrium is reached (see figure 1). The equilibrium thickness of the layer depends on temperature. The film is stable in natural water with a pH in the neutral range from 4.5 to 8.5. However, water with a lower pH (more acidic) may attack some aluminum alloys, and water with higher pH (more basic) will attack all aluminum alloys. Aluminum's resistance to corrosion in natural fresh and tap waters varies also depending on the content of dissolved solids, gases, and colloidal or suspended matter. For instance, the combination of carbonate, chloride and copper can cause some supply waters to be more corrosive.
An Effective Approach to Minimize Aluminum Corrosion
We strongly recommend adding a prescribed amount of ethylene glycol (antifreeze) to the water used in cold plates to help alleviate aluminum corrosion. Usually a solution of 25% ethylene glycol to 75% water is sufficient to prevent aluminum corrosion.
Commonly employed commercial antifreezes include ethylene glycol (an environmentally hazardous substance) and propylene glycol (less toxic and more environmentally acceptable than ethylene glycol). Ethylene glycol is slightly sweet and odorless; propylene glycol is tasteless and almost odorless. Both have a somewhat syrupy consistency. In their pure states at ambient conditions, these glycols are clear and colorless. Manufacturers add coloring agents to differentiate antifreezes according to type, heat transfer capabilities and other properties, and to facilitate leak detection.
To protect against corrosion, most commercial grade ethylene and propylene glycols contain a blend of corrosion inhibitors (typically six to twelve depending on the supplier). These additives protect metal surfaces by applying a combination of physical and electrochemical barriers that reduce the effects of corrosion.
You want your cooling loop to provide years of leak free cooling. Using ethylene glycol or propylene glycol to reduce aluminum corrosion ensures this.
>and this
Some aluminum alloys develop severe pitting and a voluminous white corrosion product under some exposure conditions in a marine atmosphere. Aluminum roofs have been known to corrode severely at the overlaps. Some aluminum alloys also can be attacked in their intergranular regions when exposed after certain metallurgical treatments (cold working or precipitation hardening). General intergranular attack or exfoliation can then occur. The attack tends to start at sheared edges or punched holes, but is not restricted to these areas. Aircraft manufacturers, in particular, must guard against this type of corrosion.
In designing aluminum equipment, care must be exercised to avoid dissimilar metal couples and the attendant galvanic corrosion. Copper and rusty steel are particularly bad in contact with aluminum. Due to the passive film on stainless steel, it can be used in contact with aluminum in the atmosphere with little expectation of accelerated corrosion, despite the differences in potential. In addition, designers should be aware of the possibility that some aluminum alloys may be sensitized to intergranular corrosion by heat treatment.
As would be expected, constant exposure to moisture with a limited supply of oxygen to the aluminum surface leads to the rapid corrosion of any aluminum apparatus or equipment component. This is due to the highly reactive nature of aluminum that leads to formation of oxides or hydroxides. In the presence of oxygen, a protective aluminum oxide film develops on any aluminum surface. This oxide film is substantially unreactive with the normal constituents of the atmosphere. If the film is removed by mechanical or chemical means and the aluminum exposed to water, a rapid reaction sets in and large quantities of the aluminum are converted to the hydroxide and subsequently to the oxide.
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 21 Mar 2010 - 20:18 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: mad_angler1) | | | Got up this morning to a glorious blue sky .Get the bird and go I thought ----- but alas this first best day had ended so soon - I had to stay local as I am on call with the fire service. So i decided to get down to an afternoon of polishing and have a good look at the wheels. Having nothing else to do you can only imagine how sparkly my blue paint and shiney bits are, I even polished the swinging arm !!!. But the wheels are ok ,I have decided to daub them in waxy stuff and not polish until dryer weather. We were lucky around here over winter cos the tight arsed services ran out of salt .They thought this global warming thing meant Yorkshire would have no winter so they let the Germans buy it . For once i'm glad my tax was wasted on idiots. Anyway ,too late to ride now so its off to the pub for me
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| mad_angler1 | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 511 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 21 Mar 2010 - 20:53 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: mat1600) | | | every where i have been reading says the same thing, unprotected aluminium will corrode very fast, its a very active metal and what we see forming on the surface it realy a protection layer building up to protect the base metal, unfortunately that protection is not nice to look at, , it must be either clear coated or painted to prevent corrosion building up on the surface.
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| large | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 22/08/2009 | | Posts | : | 168 | | Location | : | North Tazewell, virgina, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Mar 2010 - 22:34 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: mad_angler1) | | | Has any one heard of chemicaly polishing it is used on automotive parts like valve covers requires not rubbing or buffing but I do not know what chemical that is used from what Ive been told it is a dipping process. I am thinking of trying zoop seal it sopost to last up to a year I have had my bike for two days and had to polish them twice with eagle one looks nice it has a corosion previntive in it
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 21 Mar 2010 - 23:58 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: large) | | | I think that you have to either look after ya wheels or leave them and maybe think of powder coat. I had some suspension parts done on my Caterham and they looked top dog. Silver looks great and would not need a lot of looking after and not to much expense. what would white look like? especialy on a blue/whie combo ?????
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| large | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 22/08/2009 | | Posts | : | 168 | | Location | : | North Tazewell, virgina, United States |
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| | Posted : 22 Mar 2010 - 00:58 Post title : Re: Nice looking Wheels (Re: mat1600) | | | eastwood has a liquid chrome powder in single or 2 stage with clear have only seen it on small parts but looked real close to the real thing
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