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| Swagger | | Jupiter |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 15/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,103 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 06 May 2012 - 09:55 Post title : Datatool alarm | | | I've just gotten hold of a Datatool Demon self install alarm. The unit is nice and compact. I'm going to be lazy and ask if there is a convenient void on the Thunderbird that I can tuck this into. It doesn't look like it but I'm sure Triumph fit the Datatool products to these bikes. It's 120 x 60 x 30 ish.
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| Jays | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/04/2011 | | Posts | : | 82 | | Location | : | Nowra, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 06 May 2012 - 10:12 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: Swagger) | | | That alarm is pretty much the same as the OEM,
In which case there is a nice dedicated spot for it under the right hand panel behind the fuse box
See attached install instructions for the OEM alarm
Hope this helps
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| Swagger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 15/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,103 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 06 May 2012 - 10:25 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: Jays) | | | Perfect .. thank you Jays. Appreciate that.
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| Daycruiser | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/11/2011 | | Posts | : | 704 | | Location | : | Garner, NC, United States |
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| | Posted : 06 May 2012 - 16:44 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: Swagger) | | | Speaking of Alarms has anybody in the US used any alarm other than the Datatool? Been looking at Scorpio, Cyclone and few others. Mostly considering high end alarms that have factory harness connections. Not to exclude any input from beyond the US but the products made for US sale differ somewhat from those abroad. Especially if they have Data Transmission and or GPS capability.
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| feduke | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 11/08/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,441 | | Location | : | Daytona Beach, Florida, United States |
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| | Posted : 07 May 2012 - 12:53 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: Daycruiser) | | |
I haven't been able to find anyplace to fit any of the alarms I can find here. I gave up and found a Rottweiler with AIDS to tie to the bike. 
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| Swagger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 15/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,103 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 08 May 2012 - 08:14 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: Swagger) | | | My alarm is all set up now. Works just fine. I just can't find a convenient place to install the LED ... It's not essential and can be unplugged but I think it adds as a deterent effect. At the moment I've left it connected and loitering under the side panel. As it flashes it lights up the chrome swing arm and exhaust. Have any of the UK bikes been fitted with this type of alarm ... if so where'd they mount the LED.
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| Daycruiser | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/11/2011 | | Posts | : | 704 | | Location | : | Garner, NC, United States |
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| | Posted : 08 May 2012 - 09:33 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: Swagger) | | |
Swagger wrote:
My alarm is all set up now. Works just fine. I just can't find a convenient place to install the LED ... It's not essential and can be unplugged but I think it adds as a deterent effect. At the moment I've left it connected and loitering under the side panel. As it flashes it lights up the chrome swing arm and exhaust. Have any of the UK bikes been fitted with this type of alarm ... if so where'd they mount the LED. |
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I'd pull the tank and run a coated wire up to the speedo cluster, drill the proper size hole in the bezel and put the led there. First thing anybody will see when they look at the bike. If it's a permanent install shouldn't be a problem and done properly will look fine.
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| mjgt | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/09/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,201 | | Location | : | North Somerset, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 09 May 2012 - 19:57 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: Swagger) | | |
Swagger wrote:
My alarm is all set up now. Works just fine. I just can't find a convenient place to install the LED ... It's not essential and can be unplugged but I think it adds as a deterent effect. At the moment I've left it connected and loitering under the side panel. As it flashes it lights up the chrome swing arm and exhaust. Have any of the UK bikes been fitted with this type of alarm ... if so where'd they mount the LED. |
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Have you thought of wiring it up to the light in the dash, connector must be under the right side panel 
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| mjgt | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 16/09/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,201 | | Location | : | North Somerset, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 09 May 2012 - 22:10 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: mjgt) | | | A quick looksee at the circuit diagram shows that the led is wired into pins 10 and 11 of the alarm plug which will be behind the right hand side panel, if you have used it to wire the alarm in just splice into it. Make sure you wire it in the right way around, pin 11 is live 10 is the return. Hope this helps. 
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| Daycruiser | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/11/2011 | | Posts | : | 704 | | Location | : | Garner, NC, United States |
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| | Posted : 09 May 2012 - 22:29 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: mjgt) | | |
mjgt wrote:
A quick looksee at the circuit diagram shows that the led is wired into pins 10 and 11 of the alarm plug which will be behind the right hand side panel, if you have used it to wire the alarm in just splice into it. Make sure you wire it in the right way around, pin 11 is live 10 is the return. Hope this helps. |
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Good call, didn't know it had an alarm led already in the panel. Forget what I said.
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| Swagger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 15/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,103 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 10 May 2012 - 19:18 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: mjgt) | | |
mjgt wrote:
A quick looksee at the circuit diagram shows that the led is wired into pins 10 and 11 of the alarm plug which will be behind the right hand side panel, if you have used it to wire the alarm in just splice into it. Make sure you wire it in the right way around, pin 11 is live 10 is the return. Hope this helps. |
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What a star ... I'll give that a serious bit of looking at. Thank you.
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| essbjay | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/02/2012 | | Posts | : | 328 | | Location | : | Melbourne (ex Lowestoft, UK), VIC, Australia |
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| | Posted : 19 May 2012 - 07:53 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: Swagger) | | |
Just got around to fitting the same Datatool self-fit alarm.
Cut the tape etc away from the bottom of the shorting plug (used for the factory-fit alarm) and used some splice-in crimps to pick up the feed from pins 10 & 11 to the dash alarm lamp. {Thanks mjgt} Pins are marked on the base of the plug once you get the sealing all off so easy to find.
Shortened the supplied power cables, as you only need about 150-200mm and they supply 3 times that, and slid it into some heat-shink for protection. Put the inline fuse under the left-hand panel as that's the live battery side and the opposite to where the alarm is.
Alarm took 30 mins to fit all up and works like a charm. I might even look for a magnetic switch to add to the side panel as per the factory one for the redundant blue wire tamper line as it was all that easy.
Use of the factory alarm lamp really finishes it off......info like this is what these forums are all about..!!
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| mjgt | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 16/09/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,201 | | Location | : | North Somerset, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 19 May 2012 - 20:43 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: essbjay) | | |
essbjay wrote:
Just got around to fitting the same Datatool self-fit alarm.
Cut the tape etc away from the bottom of the shorting plug (used for the factory-fit alarm) and used some splice-in crimps to pick up the feed from pins 10 & 11 to the dash alarm lamp. {Thanks mjgt} Pins are marked on the base of the plug once you get the sealing all off so easy to find.
Shortened the supplied power cables, as you only need about 150-200mm and they supply 3 times that, and slid it into some heat-shink for protection. Put the inline fuse under the left-hand panel as that's the live battery side and the opposite to where the alarm is.
Alarm took 30 mins to fit all up and works like a charm. I might even look for a magnetic switch to add to the side panel as per the factory one for the redundant blue wire tamper line as it was all that easy.
Use of the factory alarm lamp really finishes it off......info like this is what these forums are all about..!!
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Glad I could help
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| Swagger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 15/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,103 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 08 Jun 2012 - 18:07 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: mjgt) | | | Will have a bit of time over the weekend to have a look at this wiring. I'm guessing it is possible to drill the back of the shorting plug at locations 10 and 11 and connect the alarms LED wire through there. I'll give it go. If not I'll scotchlok the wires at the other end.
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| Nashville | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 08/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 98 | | Location | : | Zuerich, Switzerland |
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| | Posted : 08 Jun 2012 - 18:45 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: Jays) | | | Yes, it looks quite the same but if you I compare the price -there is no way that these devices are comparable: the OEM is 549.- SFr. (370£) so it must be built in solid platinum
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| Swagger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 15/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,103 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 08 Jun 2012 - 19:12 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: Nashville) | | |
| Nashville wrote: .... Yes, it looks quite the same but if you I compare the price -there is no way that these devices are comparable: the OEM is 549.- SFr. (370£) so it must be built in solid platinum |
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Nashville ... they're not the same spec. They are a basic alarm only with only a part of the functionality and sold for self fitting. They detect movement and go off rather effectively. They do not immobilise the machine. They are very good and once you see that LED flashing any bandit will be ..... put off .... a bit. Hopefully they go for the one that doesn't have a flashing light.
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| mjgt | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 16/09/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,201 | | Location | : | North Somerset, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 09 Jun 2012 - 06:57 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: Swagger) | | | It's the same deal with all of these anti theft devices, what we all really need is to have enough locks, lights and warnings on our bikes that the scum who nick em doe's it to someone else. Unfortunatly if they really, really want YOUR bike the bastards will have it no matter what deterents you fit, because thats all they are, deterents.
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| Swagger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 15/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,103 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 23 Jun 2012 - 20:42 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: mjgt) | | | Finally got round to sorting the LED. I now have the LED in the instrument cluster flashing. Looks proper factory now. Happy .... thanks for all the info on this fellas.
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| Rodge | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 07/08/2012 | | Posts | : | 85 | | Location | : | Devon, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 12 Aug 2012 - 20:43 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: Swagger) | | |
Swagger wrote:
Finally got round to sorting the LED. I now have the LED in the instrument cluster flashing. Looks proper factory now. Happy .... thanks for all the info on this fellas. |
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Quite a result, Swagger! Bet your proper chuffed!
Does the instrument lamp accept a simple 12v source that goes live when armed and flash of it's own accord or does it need a strobing line at 5v, 1.5v or suchlike?
I'm guessing Triumph fitted a flashing LED that accepts 12v in there so that they can activate it by a simple normally open/closed relay circuit. but I'd hate to blow it finding out. 
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| mjgt | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 16/09/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,201 | | Location | : | North Somerset, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 14 Aug 2012 - 16:10 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: Rodge) | | | No it's just an led so if you put a voltage on it it will light and stay on (probably 5v). The flashing it does is done by the alarm system itself.
It is possible to make a little circuit up that will do it for you to give the impression it is alrmed with a simple multivib.
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| tigerbrew | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 08/11/2011 | | Posts | : | 100 | | Location | : | Bridlington, East Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 14 Aug 2012 - 20:18 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: Swagger) | | | There Could Be Tears ! ! ! ! 
Just have a backup plan when it all goes tits up and it won't let you start it, especially when near phone and TV masts.
Sorry to sound negative but as an ex AA patrolman I've had 32 years experience of trying to get around alarms and their peculiarities when they go pear shaped for no good reason.
Personally I won't have one anywhere near my vehicles...... Good luck.
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| bevo | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 08/01/2012 | | Posts | : | 73 | | Location | : | adelaide, south aus, Australia |
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| | Posted : 10 Oct 2012 - 07:18 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: Jays) | | |
can anybody advise me to any special steps on the removal of the factory fitted alarm system.
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| Swagger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 15/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,103 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 10 Oct 2012 - 20:49 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: bevo) | | |
| bevo wrote: .... can anybody advise me to any special steps on the removal of the factory fitted alarm system ... |
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bevo ... the alarm is essentially plug & play and is pretty much all self contained. Under normal circumstances you'd just unplug it and replace the original cover plug. Trouble is the cover plug has likely been removed by the alarm fitter. The cover plug has jumpers in it. You could do with out the cover plug but you would have to reprovide the jumpers.
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| bevo | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/01/2012 | | Posts | : | 73 | | Location | : | adelaide, south aus, Australia |
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| | Posted : 11 Oct 2012 - 07:03 Post title : Re: Datatool alarm (Re: Swagger) | | |
thanks for the reply swagger, i thought as much, still have the cover.
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