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Ted | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/06/2010 | Posts | : | 551 | Location | : | March, Cambs, United Kingdom |
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| Posted : 03 Oct 2011 - 10:38 Post title : CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! | | Once again, the CoolBrands Committee have delivered their pronouncements on what's cool this year. HD were voted number 3, in the top 200.
My response was:
I awaited your CoolBrands 2011/12 with anticipation. Lists, such as these, are a delight for provoking discussion; even the definition of "cool" makes for wonderful exchanges. I note, with dismay, that Harley-Davidson was included, again, at number 3.
This thoroughly discredits the judging panel and exposes their lack of qualification; folk (who are unable even to use the product) pronouncing upon a failed, seriously uncool design. I could provide you with an essay on the failings of the Harley-Davidson Company, in almost every aspect of design and manufacturing: aesthetics, reliability, innovation, fit for purpose, economy, ergonomics, usability, desirability. Last centuries technology at next centuries prices.
I suspect the judging panel have confused the term "niche product" with "cool product", to their discredit. I see none of the panel appear to possess any technical/engineering qualification. They should stick to pronouncing upon the Arts, Needlework and Wallpaper design, where I may respect their judgment. They may as well have chosen a valve-driven radio or a Penny Farthing.
One of my definitions of coolness is that it is both unconscious and a paradox. Any conscious attempt at coolness is made, then lost.
Regards, Tony B Tony B
07742 (my cool iPhone)
Typed on my cool iMac and delivered to the postbox on my cool Thunderbird
With apologies to Thatch for a teensiest bit of plagiarism
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mat1600 | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | Posts | : | 8,596 | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| Posted : 03 Oct 2011 - 11:56 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: Ted) | |
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Druid | Jupiter | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/10/2009 | Posts | : | 1,359 | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| Posted : 03 Oct 2011 - 12:29 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: mat1600) | | Never heard of them .Must be very uncool . I guess they have put Apple in there too just to show their total ignorance.
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Thatch | Thor | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | Posts | : | 3,655 | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| Posted : 03 Oct 2011 - 12:47 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: Ted) | | Yeah, that's an odd selection. Not to beat up on HD but it's pretty obvious that they've been falling out of 'cool' for some time now. All things go in phases and HD has had more than enough time in the sun. Naming them cool at this point is like saying Milli Vanilli is a hip new group.
You got me on the plagiarism part though.... guess I should actually pay more attention to what I write.
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Ted | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/06/2010 | Posts | : | 551 | Location | : | March, Cambs, United Kingdom |
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| Posted : 03 Oct 2011 - 13:55 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: Thatch) | | Last centuries technology at next centuries prices.
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narsisco_lopez | Thor | | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | Posts | : | 2,765 | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| Posted : 03 Oct 2011 - 15:08 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: Ted) | | Never underestimate an insecure man's desire to fit into the pack by paying top dollar to look like a badass renegade pirate.
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EnGage | Thor | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | Posts | : | 3,155 | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| Posted : 03 Oct 2011 - 15:09 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: Ted) | | Ted wrote:
Last centuries technology at next centuries prices. |
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Actually, I think you plagerizing my statement on the HD Burn Lawsuit thread:
I thought their only issue was selling yesterday's bikes at tomorrow's prices
But that's OK - I look just like Thatch ... other than I'm older, shorter, fatter and don't have any hair
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mat1600 | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | Posts | : | 8,596 | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| Posted : 03 Oct 2011 - 15:59 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: EnGage) | |
EnGage wrote:
But that's OK - I look just like Thatch ... other than I'm older, shorter, fatter and don't have any hair |
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And polite.
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Ted | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/06/2010 | Posts | : | 551 | Location | : | March, Cambs, United Kingdom |
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| Posted : 03 Oct 2011 - 17:15 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: EnGage) | | Sorry Todd, I rarely check my facts, and that's a common description for most of us. From what I read, we're all shorter than Thatch.
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Thatch | Thor | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | Posts | : | 3,655 | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| Posted : 03 Oct 2011 - 20:52 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: Ted) | | and more polite
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Lionheart | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 19/09/2011 | Posts | : | 136 | Location | : | Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire , United Kingdom |
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| Posted : 03 Oct 2011 - 20:56 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: Ted) | | Dead right.
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Lionheart | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 19/09/2011 | Posts | : | 136 | Location | : | Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire , United Kingdom |
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| Posted : 03 Oct 2011 - 21:06 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: Ted) | | I was doing some touring round Ireland in August and I met an American biker in his 70s who used to race on Triumphs in the 60's. He introduced himself and said "What's the difference between a Harley-Davidson and a Hoover?" - "On a Hoover, the dirtbag sits in a different place" ...guess he agrees HD ain't cool.......
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Ninox_s | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/08/2010 | Posts | : | 755 | Location | : | Naracoorte, South Australia, Australia |
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| Posted : 04 Oct 2011 - 12:45 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: Lionheart) | | Now I'm going to plaigerise that line!! Often!
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Ted | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/06/2010 | Posts | : | 551 | Location | : | March, Cambs, United Kingdom |
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| Posted : 04 Oct 2011 - 13:44 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: Ninox_s) | | I should have provided: I note that the initial web pages fail to show HD, could the reason be sinister? Triumph is in there.
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EnGage | Thor | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | Posts | : | 3,155 | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| Posted : 04 Oct 2011 - 17:19 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: Ted) | | Listing the Blackberry is even more unbelievable. At lease HD still sells product
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paulfun | Set | | Reg. Date | : | 26/08/2011 | Posts | : | 61 | Location | : | United States |
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| Posted : 05 Oct 2011 - 13:18 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: Ted) | | What a joke! Does anyone really take lists like this for real?
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narsisco_lopez | Thor | | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | Posts | : | 2,765 | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| Posted : 05 Oct 2011 - 13:29 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: paulfun) | | Wait a minute!
Aston Martin is #1 and Maserati is #20? SOMETHING is wrong with this list! Oh yeah... Brits compiled it
I wonder if Jerry Lewis is still on top of the French list?
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mat1600 | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | Posts | : | 8,596 | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| Posted : 05 Oct 2011 - 14:31 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: narsisco_lopez) | |
narsisco_lopez wrote:
Wait a minute!
Aston Martin is #1 and Maserati is #20? SOMETHING is wrong with this list! Oh yeah... Brits compiled it
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Astons are way cooler than Messyraties. I agree with them on that.
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lioneloxford | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/04/2011 | Posts | : | 231 | Location | : | Oxfordshire, United Kingdom |
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| Posted : 06 Oct 2011 - 16:27 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: EnGage) | | Real cool brands
Feel free to add your own
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narsisco_lopez | Thor | | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | Posts | : | 2,765 | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| Posted : 06 Oct 2011 - 16:48 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: lioneloxford) | | lioneloxford wrote:
Real cool brands
Feel free to add your own
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Ted | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/06/2010 | Posts | : | 551 | Location | : | March, Cambs, United Kingdom |
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| Posted : 06 Oct 2011 - 17:53 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: lioneloxford) | | They are on the list!
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Linkdog | Thor | | | Reg. Date | : | 10/02/2011 | Posts | : | 2,915 | Location | : | Groveland, FL., United States |
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| Posted : 06 Oct 2011 - 22:39 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: Ted) | | Trojan magnums? really Narsisco? are you using them for a bike cover?
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narsisco_lopez | Thor | | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | Posts | : | 2,765 | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| Posted : 06 Oct 2011 - 23:38 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: Linkdog) | | Linkdog wrote:
Trojan magnums? really Narsisco? are you using them for a bike cover? |
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Well... if the condom fits, wear it.
Oh, and of ALL the brands I listed above, it was the "Magnum" one that caught your attention, huh?
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mat1600 | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | Posts | : | 8,596 | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| Posted : 06 Oct 2011 - 23:47 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | 'Magnums' - so sick of busting those things. Moved on to bin liners.
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narsisco_lopez | Thor | | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | Posts | : | 2,765 | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| Posted : 06 Oct 2011 - 23:54 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: mat1600) | | mat1600 wrote:
'Magnums' - so sick of busting those things. Moved on to bin liners. |
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Hmmmmm, maybe you should try these....
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SeanS | Jupiter | | | Reg. Date | : | 17/10/2009 | Posts | : | 1,179 | Location | : | Matlock, Derbyshire UK, United Kingdom |
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| Posted : 10 Oct 2011 - 11:35 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: lioneloxford) | |
Applies to my bikes as well!
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Leethal | Zeus | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | Posts | : | 6,397 | Location | : | Australia |
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| Posted : 10 Oct 2011 - 11:45 Post title : Re: CoolBrands 2011/12 - Observer 02/10/11 - HD voted Number 3!!! (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | This is getting sick
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