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Topic : HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap
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Posted : 05 Aug 2011 - 23:01   Post title : HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap
 
So, I just got off the phone with my local dealer... $77.79 for a set of rear pads (which they don't have in stock... 3 weeks lead time: WTF???) and $97 bucks in labor (says they need to remove the rear wheel... which most of you know is total BS).

Anybody able to do a short write-up/How To on swapping out pads? I wanna get these done in the next few days, if possible.

Many thanks in advance for any help!

 
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Posted : 05 Aug 2011 - 23:12   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: narsisco_lopez)
 
Hopefully doing mine at the weekend. £23.00 from a triumph parts dealer inc shipping and tax. i am having to take the wheel out as I am cleaning out the rear pulley bearing, measuring up for a new one and changing that later if the dealer won't do it.

 
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Posted : 06 Aug 2011 - 05:16   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: narsisco_lopez)
 
Go to jakewilson.com and buy the pads, or talk to eddy. My guy did it in about 5 minutes without removing the rear wheel. All he had to do was loosen the muffler to get at everything. The good pads are cheap and probably better than the stock ones you will get from Triumph. There is already a post on this.

 
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Posted : 06 Aug 2011 - 13:50   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: feduke)
 

feduke wrote:

Go to jakewilson.com and buy the pads, or talk to eddy. My guy did it in about 5 minutes without removing the rear wheel. All he had to do was loosen the muffler to get at everything. The good pads are cheap and probably better than the stock ones you will get from Triumph. There is already a post on this.


Yep, there sure was a thread and I started it! I just didn't bookmark it and now I can't find it, but thanks for re-posted the JakeWilson.com link ~ I'm gonna order me up those sintered pads today.

 
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Posted : 06 Aug 2011 - 16:51   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: narsisco_lopez)
 

Forum area : Technical Talk. - 6K Service Done Today/Rear Brake Pads Needed

 
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Posted : 06 Aug 2011 - 18:31   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: feduke)
 
As I needed to take the r/wheel out to service the squeek in the pulley bearing I thought I would replace the brake pads.

I am sure it is possible to do the pad change without the wheel removed but if you do take the wheel out, first remove the 'r' clip and take a pin punch at the pad retianing pin. This comes out fairly easy from the outside towards the wheel. Its easier to do with it all assembled. Then remove the wheel.

This is what you will see. Push the pistons back in by hand.


And without the pads, and all cleaned out.


Make sure the anti rattle thingy is seated correctly (a little arrow should point in the direction of rotation)


New pads, copper slipped up and ready for the wheel.


Make sure you pump that brake pedal a few times before setting off.



The dealer swapped mine at the 6k miles service. But as I am about to have the 12k they would probs have done these as well. The one I took out would have done another 4-6000 miles. Bearing in mind I had given them some shit across the Alps.
I opted to replace them as I had them in stock.

 
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Posted : 07 Aug 2011 - 06:17   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: mat1600)
 
good work mat

sling this into the technical if its not there already



ps if i buy the pads, you know the change from the fiver.............. ??

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Posted : 07 Aug 2011 - 09:04   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: zolti)
 

zolti wrote:


ps if i buy the pads, you know the change from the fiver.............. ??


Ha -and I expected that a man of your capabilities would be able to manage such a simple task.



 
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Posted : 07 Aug 2011 - 09:26   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: mat1600)
 

mat1600 wrote:


zolti wrote:


ps if i buy the pads, you know the change from the fiver.............. ??


Ha -and I expected that a man of your capabilities would be able to manage such a simple task.



i take that as a YES



when i have nothing to prove its nice to watch another as i drink a beer, potter through your mcn and make interesting conversation

when are you going to do the "big bore" with equal gusto and imagery?.... cant wait.

i even might help if your nice

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Posted : 07 Aug 2011 - 13:39   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: zolti)
 
Hey Matt... thanks for this post and the photos! Got my sintered pads on the way and will give it a try as soon as they arrive.



 
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Posted : 07 Aug 2011 - 15:25   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: narsisco_lopez)
 
Dave,if you do a wheel on job, take picture and do a write up for us. I've got a good idea of how to do it but your insite would be appereciated.

 
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Posted : 07 Aug 2011 - 15:31   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: BigJack)
 

BigJack wrote:

Dave,if you do a wheel on job, take picture and do a write up for us. I've got a good idea of how to do it but your insite would be appereciated.


Will do, Jack!

 
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Posted : 07 Aug 2011 - 18:47   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: narsisco_lopez)
 
if you do them with wheel on, you may have to take that side muffler off if you have std or long tors. Bike on lift is easier or its a lay under job. Pull the 'r' clip with long nose pliers, drift out the pin with a small diameter pin punch from the muffler side towards the wheel. the pads should slide out towards the pin end (only one pin to knock out). you may have to get something in between the disc and the pistons to force them back home (not a lot of pressure needed) making sure you dont bend the disc. You should maybe take out the outside pad first so you have something to push against (the pistons are on the outside of the disc only). The brake caliper slides on two pins so its easy to push towards the inside to make room for your inside pad. A good clean out with 'brake cleaner' to remove all the crud and a bit of 'copperslip' or the like onto the back of the new pads and the pin and Bobs your uncle. Re-assemble and give the pedal a few pushes.

Not done it that way so will be interested if it is that easy.

 
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Posted : 07 Aug 2011 - 20:53   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: mat1600)
 
Matt, I've done it this way and it works. As far as the pistons just crack open the bleeder and use your fingers too push them back and close the bleeder, no force at all.

 
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Posted : 07 Aug 2011 - 23:10   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: Linkdog)
 

Linkdog wrote:

Matt, I've done it this way and it works. As far as the pistons just crack open the bleeder and use your fingers too push them back and close the bleeder, no force at all.


Good to hear. But you dont have to crack the bleed to push the pistons back, they go back ok.

 
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Posted : 08 Aug 2011 - 02:46   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: mat1600)
 
This is turning into one valuable thread! It's gonna make my job so much easier than I thought.

 
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Posted : 08 Aug 2011 - 03:40   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: narsisco_lopez)
 
You should have no trouble at all NL, the hardest part is getting that clip back on. Just remember how it came off

 
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Posted : 11 Aug 2011 - 23:48   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: Linkdog)
 
Well, my tire and pads came in yesterday at 303 Cycle (my local guys who I try to give business to... especially on tires since they always seem to beat prices I find anywhere)

Metzeler ME880 XXL 200/50ZR17 ~ Rear = $198.95 (included mounting)
tire disposal fee = $2.50
EBC Brake Pad FA2092HH = $34.00

Since we had the rear tire off, I asked if I could pop the pads in. Of course, David just jumped in and started doing it himself. It was a piece of cake... except when it came to getting the wheel back on! The new pads are pretty beefy, so we REALLY had to open those brake pistons to get 'em wide enough to allow the rotor to slide back in. We'd just get it, then they'd close enough to keep the rotor from completely sliding in between the pads.

The problem was mostly one of alignment... the wheel/rotor needs to be pretty close to vertical and the brake assembly needs to be JUST in the right spot for it all to slide together.

I was sort of scratching my head a bit since I've read so many posts from you guys who take off and put back on your rear wheel by yourselves. There was three of us and it took all three to get it right. Did we screw the pooch on something? Can anybody shine a light on our snafu?

On the up side... Mat, your tip on measuring the distance from the lock nut to the end of the thread on the tensioner was SPOT ON! I enjoyed a 50 mile ride afterward and... NO SQUEAKING AT ALL!

Oh, and we only had to loosen the right-hand tension bolt to get the wheel off.


 
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Posted : 12 Aug 2011 - 07:50   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: narsisco_lopez)
 
I find the rear wheel is a pain in the ass to get back on. If you don't get it right first time, you have a fight on your hands. I find putting the wheel in somewhere near and then lower the jack so that the sindle lines up with the wheel center helps a lot.

 
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Posted : 12 Aug 2011 - 13:50   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: narsisco_lopez)
 
Hey Dave. How many miles did you have on your bike at your tire and pad replacement?

 
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Posted : 12 Aug 2011 - 15:20   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: PES)
 

PES wrote:

Hey Dave. How many miles did you have on your bike at your tire and pad replacement?


My 'Bird went in for its 6K service at 6400 miles and that's when they recommended pads and the rear. After l saw them close up, I concurred... I had about a 1/16" or less of material before I'd have been metal to metal. I probably could have squeezed another 500-700 miles out of my rear, but there was definitely a major difference in wear between the old rear and the front. Like I just said, I probably could have gone a bit longer, because I never felt that the tire was performing any worse than when it was new, but I've got a California ride coming up in about a week and a half, so wanted a fresh rear for that trip.

I've been a very strong defender of Metelzer on this forum, but I'll confess... I'm waiting very impatiently for Michelin to make the Pilot Road III in sizes that fit the Thunderbird. I'm betting that that tire compound/design would go almost twice the mileage as the Metz.

 
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Posted : 19 Aug 2011 - 13:49   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: mat1600)
 
Nice pics, Matt. That will help. I'm doing a full service turn on fluids, tires, cush bearings, brake pads and major cleaning
from my vacation trip.

I know there have been some suggestions on rear wheel removal. It seems to be a potential PITA.
Anyone know where that thread is? Any pics?

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Posted : 19 Aug 2011 - 15:05   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: DizzE)
 
rear wheel off is easy. Its getting the plucker back in thats 'hair loss annoying'. You have to support the caliper with a tie cos that just drops off when you get the wheel off. So - undo the main nut,undo the adjusters (remember to measure the distance from the end of the adjuster to the face of the 'first nut' - take the locking nut off the adjuster before measure. Measure both sides and note it) knock the (soft hammer) spindle through just a bit , slide wheel forward to get belt off and tie back. Catch spacer, pull spindle through and catch all the crap that falls off (spacer , caliper and pulley). Putting it all back means you need to grow 4 more arms and chill out for half an hour with a couple of pounds of Morrocan Gold before starting. Place wheel in gap and lower bike so spindle is about inline. It will probably not go well but you will manage ok.

Have fun.

Dont forget to put the left hand adjuster in place when putting the spindle back in. Yep - you guessed it,I did forgat.

 
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Posted : 19 Aug 2011 - 15:31   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: mat1600)
 

mat1600 wrote:

rear wheel off is easy. Its getting the plucker back in thats 'hair loss annoying'. You have to support the caliper with a tie cos that just drops off when you get the wheel off. So - undo the main nut,undo the adjusters (remember to measure the distance from the end of the adjuster to the face of the 'first nut' - take the locking nut off the adjuster before measure. Measure both sides and note it) knock the (soft hammer) spindle through just a bit , slide wheel forward to get belt off and tie back. Catch spacer, pull spindle through and catch all the crap that falls off (spacer , caliper and pulley). Putting it all back means you need to grow 4 more arms and chill out for half an hour with a couple of pounds of Morrocan Gold before starting. Place wheel in gap and lower bike so spindle is about inline. It will probably not go well but you will manage ok.

Have fun.

Dont forget to put the left hand adjuster in place when putting the spindle back in. Yep - you guessed it,I did forgat.


You aren't kidding about the "grow 4 more arms" comment! There was 3 of us working to get it back on and it was STILL a PITA! That tip about wire-tying the caliper in place is a good one, though... having it stay put on the swing arm would have been a big help. For us, the biggest issue was the thickness of the brand-new EBC pads... they are big and beefy and there's NOT a lot of clearance as you try to slide the rotor in between the pads... even when you've got the pistons pushed in as far as they'll go.

But again... measuring the length the visible thread on the adjuster works like a charm. Been riding the bike and STILL not a squeak.

 
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Posted : 19 Aug 2011 - 16:24   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: narsisco_lopez)
 

narsisco_lopez wrote:

For us, the biggest issue was the thickness of the brand-new EBC pads... they are big and beefy and there's NOT a lot of clearance as you try to slide the rotor in between the pads... even when you've got the pistons pushed in as far as they'll go.

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You can just get the caliper on the disc without it in place - put something heavy on the brake pedal to hold the caliper on the disc then slide it all into place - then get your two spacer in.



 
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Posted : 19 Aug 2011 - 16:28   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: mat1600)
 
After reading all this I have even more respect for my mechanic. He did the whole thing by himself slicker than owl sh** in just a few minutes. I'll have to ask him what his secret is.

 
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Posted : 19 Aug 2011 - 18:30   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: feduke)
 
Well obviously, he was'nt looking at your avatar

 
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Posted : 19 Aug 2011 - 19:53   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: feduke)
 

feduke wrote:

After reading all this I have even more respect for my mechanic. He did the whole thing by himself slicker than owl sh** in just a few minutes. I'll have to ask him what his secret is.


My question to you, Feduke, is... how in the hell do you know how slick owl shit is?

 
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Posted : 19 Aug 2011 - 20:57   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: feduke)
 

feduke wrote:

After reading all this I have even more respect for my mechanic. He did the whole thing by himself slicker than owl sh** in just a few minutes. I'll have to ask him what his secret is.


They want to be with the price they charge.

I will be slicker than owl shit when I have done this a few times....................... hopefully.

 
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Posted : 19 Aug 2011 - 22:09   Post title : Re: HOW TO REQUEST: Rear Brake Pad Swap (Re: narsisco_lopez)
 

narsisco_lopez wrote:

feduke wrote:

After reading all this I have even more respect for my mechanic. He did the whole thing by himself slicker than owl sh** in just a few minutes. I'll have to ask him what his secret is.


My question to you, Feduke, is... how in the hell do you know how slick owl shit is?


I think it's like K Y only with feathers

 
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