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| | | Iandbray | | Set |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 23/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 29 | | Location | : | geneva, Switzerland |
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| | Posted : 17 Apr 2011 - 15:19 Post title : fun with torque | | | OK, so I have another question (my storm is my first cruiser so I am still learning) I noticed now I've run her in and can use the throttle properly that if I accelerate hard off a straight line the front end gets a bit light. I thought the front tyre was breaking away at first but I think its just that its not fully planted on the road. I didn't get this with my Sprint ( I guess the geometry is pretty different). Anyhow, I don't mind it just wondered if the back tyre holds everything together ok if you are accelerating hard into the twisty bits.
Any experience from those of you with worn footpegs would be most welcomed
Cheers
Ian
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| | | Druid | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,359 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 17 Apr 2011 - 18:20 Post title : Re: fun with torque (Re: Iandbray) | | | Oh yes Ian indeed that is certainly a trait of this bikes huge torque. Your not alone I have actually had the front wheel off the ground. Not by much couple inches but certainly up. Its the massive delivery of the torque from start. I doubt you ST has the same torque delivery as th TBird.
Mate of mine had a go on my Bird today and he was amazed at the power off the line he said it was a lot sharper off the line than his 997 ducati.
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| | | mat1600 | | Thunderbird | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 18 Apr 2011 - 12:42 Post title : Re: fun with torque (Re: Druid) | | | Went for a ride with a mate and his Fireblade RR. Weaving in and out of traffic I had no problem keeping up with him. From 40/50 mph up past 90 overtaking I could hear him revving that rice pot and all the time i'm thinking - its all in the torque. He was supprised to see me still behind him after 20 miles - even more so when he didn't catch me on the way home 
What a fantastic bike.
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| | | CornerBanger | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 07/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,113 | | Location | : | Charleston, SC, United States |
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| | Posted : 18 Apr 2011 - 12:42 Post title : Re: fun with torque (Re: Iandbray) | | |
Iandbray wrote:
just wondered if the back tyre holds everything together ok if you are accelerating hard into the twisty bits.
Any experience from those of you with worn footpegs would be most welcomed
Cheers
Ian |
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Yes it does. Have a look at a book called "A Twist of the Wrist II" written by Keith Code. He explains what the rotation force of the back tire does for the stability of the whole bike. This is the reason super bike racers can have the front tire lifted coming out of a turn and still be in the turn (bike not completed the turn) without stability or directional issues. And yes, the Bird does what it is supposed to do, hold it together.
By the way for those who are interested, I spanked a HD CVO Street Glide with a 110" motor in it on Sunday. Then came the Honda VTX 1800, spanked him too. Both of those bikes loose their power quickly. They do not have any follow through after the torque has started to fade, whereas the Bird keeps building HP when the engine is spun up.
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| | | lioneloxford | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/04/2011 | | Posts | : | 231 | | Location | : | Oxfordshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 18 Apr 2011 - 13:58 Post title : Re: fun with torque (Re: CornerBanger) | | | Simply put.
BHP = Maximun Speed
Torque = How quick you get there.
Give me torque any day.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,731 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 18 Apr 2011 - 14:18 Post title : Re: fun with torque (Re: lioneloxford) | | | Amen. I really can't understand why anyone would want high revving bike with much less torque and it's peak at 8k or some such thing. A sportbike make be able to leave me in the dust, but how pleasurable is it? I never had one, but i did have a Kawi 750 triple back in the day so i know what bike like that are like. You HAVE to go really fast to get any joy. With the bird you just barely twist it and it brings a smile.
On the handling.....almost 2 years after delivery i still can't get over it. I spent a good part of saturday in the twisties and i don't think i was any less blown away then the first time i took it up there. Only the crazy sporties with a death wish ever lose me, and thats partially because i know my limits as to what is reasonably safe and won't pass that point. But i know the Bird has caused a lot of those squids to scratch thier heads. I remember when i took the bike in for the initial service and the dealer was asking me how i like it so far. When i mentioned the handling he looked at the tires and was surprised at how far over the wear was and that the chicken strips were gone. That was his first indication at how well the bird handles, tho at this point i'm sure he's found out for himself.
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| | | CornerBanger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 07/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,113 | | Location | : | Charleston, SC, United States |
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| | Posted : 18 Apr 2011 - 14:32 Post title : Re: fun with torque (Re: lioneloxford) | | |
lioneloxford wrote:
Simply put.
BHP = Maximun Speed
Torque = How quick you get there.
Give me torque any day.
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Not necessarily. Horsepower is defined as work done over time. The exact definition of one horsepower is 33,000 lb.ft./minute. Put another way, if you were to lift 33,000 pounds one foot over a period of one minute, you would have been working at the rate of one horsepower. In this case, you'd have expended one horsepower-minute of energy. Additionally, HP is calculated (HP = rpm x T/5252) based on torque because you can measure torque in an engine but not HP. So, HP is how quickly you can do work, or how fast you can get there (speed). Torque is a twisting force and it is the ability to move something. Torque does not do you any good as it relates to speed unless it is carried through a reasonable RPM range. Yes, torque is great but if you cannot maintain it across a broad RPM range the engine will not be fast. And, that is why both of the afore mentioned bikes cannot keep up with the Bird; their torque falls of early whereas the Bird's continues well into 4,000 RPM, thus generating respectable HP numbers.
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| | | narsisco_lopez | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 2,765 | | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| | Posted : 18 Apr 2011 - 16:07 Post title : Re: fun with torque (Re: CornerBanger) | | | Looks like Keith Code has a DVD out on the subject, as well...
A Twist of the Wrist II - Keith Code DVD
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