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 curtis41 
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Posted : 05 Apr 2011 - 22:04   Post title : Retired but now retiring (retyring)
 
Has anyone yet tried the pair of Avons below? Metzelers have good grip, but the Avons are every bit as good in the rain, if not better. I am not pleased with the mileage it takes to wear out the Metzelers and seek a better mousetrap this retiring, or, if you please, retyring. I know the Dunlops are alternative tires for the Thunderbird 1600/1700, but the spec on these Avons suggest they might be a reasonable fitment fort my Triumph Thunderbird SE A1.

"#1245130002 120/70ZR-19 (60W) Avon Cobra AV71 Front Motorcycle Tire for $154.99
#1245150009 200/55VR-17 (78V) Avon Cobra AV72 Rear Motorcycle Tire for $181.99


Cris Jex| Customer Service Representative - Rocky Mountain ATV/MC | Jake Wilson"

In particular, I am interested in the difference, if any with the 55 aspect rear tire and how that particular tire does on rainy pavement.
Comments welcomed. This seemed to be the only alternative where you ended up with two tires from the same tire series, and not a hod podge of different tires front and back.


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 feduke 
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Posted : 06 Apr 2011 - 14:05   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: curtis41)
 
I have the above Cobra front tire but put the Avon Storm on the back with great results. Handling and ride seem better than the Metz and with 7,000 miles now on the Avons the rear appears to only be about half way through it's tread life. No downside at all that I can see, and the mileage certainly leaves Metzler out of the running for me.

I got mine at Jake Wilson also. Best price I could find and very quick, free delivery. I highly recommend them.

 
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 davetac1 
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Posted : 07 Apr 2011 - 02:11   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: feduke)
 
I'm now runnin the Avon Storm on the rear and my back up Metz on the front.I see no difference,what so ever, in the handling. Dave!!!

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Posted : 07 Apr 2011 - 02:29   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: davetac1)
 
My fear is that if i ride as hard as i sometimes do that the limits on the metz may be better than the avons. You guys say they seem to handle as well, but how hard do you ride? I try not to ride foolishly, but in the twisties especially if following some sporties i sometimes push it very hard. So even tho you guys say they handle as well i wouldn't feel comfortable unless i knew you push your birds as hard as i do. I feel i've tested the limits of the bike and the metzelers but i fear doing that with the avons might reveal that they don't handle as well, and thats not the way i want to find that out. If i try a different tire i'm going to ride like i always do and expect them to handle as well as the metzelers. So i worry about that. Also, isn't 55 the tire's height? How much higher would that set the rider?

 
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Posted : 07 Apr 2011 - 03:32   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: daz)
 
Well daz,I know you're gonna wanna slap me up side of the head,AGAIN, but the bird is a cruiser,not a cafe racer.Ya,it does handle well,but really pushin it,atleast to me,can get ya into trouble real quick.lol OK! You may begin the head slappin now. Dave!!!

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Posted : 07 Apr 2011 - 09:11   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: daz)
 
My fear is that if i ride as hard as i sometimes do that the limits on the metz may be better than the avons



Have no fear little Sparrow.
You will ..........NOT............ outride the limits of the Avon Cobras...I have used them for some considerable time and they will provide exactly what you are looking for.
Cheers.
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 mat1600 
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Posted : 07 Apr 2011 - 11:52   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: daz)
 

daz wrote:

. Also, isn't 55 the tire's height? How much higher would that set the rider?


It would sit 10mm (3/8'') higher at the back. The 50 denotes a tyre aspect ratio fo the tyre width - so 200 x 50% = 100 from rim to tyre tread. At 55 that would be 110mm.

It would of course mean that you would travel an extra 63mm (2.5'') per rev of wheel.



 
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Posted : 07 Apr 2011 - 12:59   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: mat1600)
 
mat1600 wrote:


daz wrote:

. Also, isn't 55 the tire's height? How much higher would that set the rider?


It would sit 10mm (3/8'') higher at the back. The 50 denotes a tyre aspect ratio fo the tyre width - so 200 x 50% = 100 from rim to tyre tread. At 55 that would be 110mm.

It would of course mean that you would travel an extra 63mm (2.5'') per rev of wheel.



And some have said it makes the speedo dead on, but that can't be. A larger tire would read slower for the same distance assuming the rear wheel is used for speed...

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Posted : 07 Apr 2011 - 13:04   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: daz)
 

daz wrote:

My fear is that if i ride as hard as i sometimes do that the limits on the metz may be better than the avons.


I'm noy a boy racer and I don't do it on every curve, but I can scrape the floorboards when I want to (with the Storm/Cobra combination.) If you can lean any further than that let me know. I want to bring my camera and marshmallows and catch it on film.



 
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Posted : 07 Apr 2011 - 14:06   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: feduke)
 

feduke wrote:


|Q If you can lean any further than that let me know. I want to bring my camera and marshmallows and catch it on film.



How far you lean means nothing till you look at the speeds you're talking about. Lets see you scrape at 80 MPH.....you'd be leaned WAY over for that speed and testing the bike's, your's and the tires limits much further than i'd ever take it. You can scrape them at 10 mph on a switchback.....hardly testing any limits of the tire there ! On the other hand, there are times when i'm pushing the limits if the tires and bike and not close to scraping. Scraping has nothing to do with it.

 
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Posted : 07 Apr 2011 - 23:24   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: daz)
 

daz wrote:

feduke wrote:


|Q If you can lean any further than that let me know. I want to bring my camera and marshmallows and catch it on film.



How far you lean means nothing till you look at the speeds you're talking about. Lets see you scrape at 80 MPH.....you'd be leaned WAY over for that speed and testing the bike's, your's and the tires limits much further than i'd ever take it. You can scrape them at 10 mph on a switchback.....hardly testing any limits of the tire there ! On the other hand, there are times when i'm pushing the limits if the tires and bike and not close to scraping. Scraping has nothing to do with it.


Getting over to a side is par for the course over here. Get use to it or dont ride. But would like to try another brand and see any change in handling.

 
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Posted : 08 Apr 2011 - 00:10   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: mat1600)
 

mat1600 wrote:


daz wrote:

feduke wrote:


|Q If you can lean any further than that let me know. I want to bring my camera and marshmallows and catch it on film.



How far you lean means nothing till you look at the speeds you're talking about. Lets see you scrape at 80 MPH.....you'd be leaned WAY over for that speed and testing the bike's, your's and the tires limits much further than i'd ever take it. You can scrape them at 10 mph on a switchback.....hardly testing any limits of the tire there ! On the other hand, there are times when i'm pushing the limits if the tires and bike and not close to scraping. Scraping has nothing to do with it.


Getting over to a side is par for the course over here. Get use to it or dont ride. But would like to try another brand and see any change in handling.


Lighten up guys. The comment was a "funny." I said I'm no boy racer. When I asked my wife what she wanted for her birthday she said "Something that goes from zero to 150 in under 5 seconds." No problem. I got her a bathroom scale. Hmm, maybe I am a boy racer. I had to run like hell on that comment.



 
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Posted : 08 Apr 2011 - 01:29   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: feduke)
 
feduke wrote:


mat1600 wrote:


daz wrote:

feduke wrote:


|Q If you can lean any further than that let me know. I want to bring my camera and marshmallows and catch it on film.



How far you lean means nothing till you look at the speeds you're talking about. Lets see you scrape at 80 MPH.....you'd be leaned WAY over for that speed and testing the bike's, your's and the tires limits much further than i'd ever take it. You can scrape them at 10 mph on a switchback.....hardly testing any limits of the tire there ! On the other hand, there are times when i'm pushing the limits if the tires and bike and not close to scraping. Scraping has nothing to do with it.


Getting over to a side is par for the course over here. Get use to it or dont ride. But would like to try another brand and see any change in handling.


Lighten up guys. The comment was a "funny." I said I'm no boy racer. When I asked my wife what she wanted for her birthday she said "Something that goes from zero to 150 in under 5 seconds." No problem. I got her a bathroom scale. Hmm, maybe I am a boy racer. I had to run like hell on that comment.





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Posted : 08 Apr 2011 - 08:57   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: EnGage)
 
Just put new Metzlers on after having a puncture on the back tyre (and they were worn down after 8000 km). Had a heart attack for approx 10 secs as I saw the bill Euro 450 That is twice as much as I used to pay for tyres for my V Max. I will be looking at Avons next year but have bad experience with Avons on my V Max (no grip when it is wet or even damp !)

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Posted : 08 Apr 2011 - 09:24   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: Brian)
 
Someone needs to reinvent the tire it seems to me. You would think in this day and age they would have invented a plastic that is better than rubber and more durable. Then again you would have thought they would have a oil substitute as well . Obviously there are far more important things like making money out of taxes and repeat orders.

 
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Posted : 08 Apr 2011 - 12:12   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: Druid)
 
I think they should make the roads out of rubber and the tires out of asphalt. Let them pay for all the wear and tear they cause!

 
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Posted : 09 Apr 2011 - 00:07   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: feduke)
 
feduke:How much air pressure are you runnin in the rear Avon Storm tire that you recently put on???? Thanks. Dave!!!

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Posted : 09 Apr 2011 - 00:18   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: davetac1)
 
The dealer suggested 35 pounds, knowing I weigh in at close to 300. It seems to be working fine there with good ride, handling and wear. You probably weigh a bit less and might consider less air unless you're riding two up.

 
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Posted : 09 Apr 2011 - 02:03   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: feduke)
 

feduke wrote:

I think they should make the roads out of rubber and the tires out of asphalt. Let them pay for all the wear and tear they cause!


LOL! Tbird specs: dry weight, 1200 Lbs. And no more flat tires.....just "cracked" tires. But on the good side, crashing would be easier and possibly even fun !



 
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Posted : 10 Apr 2011 - 08:42   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: daz)
 

daz wrote:

feduke wrote:

I think they should make the roads out of rubber and the tires out of asphalt. Let them pay for all the wear and tear they cause!


LOL! Tbird specs: dry weight, 1200 Lbs. And no more flat tires.....just "cracked" tires. But on the good side, crashing would be easier and possibly even fun !



But would you have to salt them in winter?

 
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Posted : 10 Apr 2011 - 13:22   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: mat1600)
 


But would you have to salt them in winter?


Of course not. Just move down here to Florida where we don't have to deal with such inconvenient things



 
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Posted : 10 Apr 2011 - 14:52   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: mat1600)
 


 
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Other Bikes:
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2009 KTM 990 Adventure
2010 Triumph Thunderbird 1600 (the Alien Queen)
2009 Triumph Sprint ST (another great bike!)
2007 Kawasaki ZX10R
2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
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1985 Suzuki GS550E
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Posted : 10 Apr 2011 - 15:59   Post title : Re: Retired but now retiring (retyring) (Re: narsisco_lopez)
 
Where's the centerstand?

 
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