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| | | Kando | | Chaac |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 08/11/2009 | | Posts | : | 780 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jan 2011 - 16:26 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | | guys my opinion of this thread as stated a long way back was because many of the original comments were about the bikes not the riders........I as well as the rest of you enjoy a good ribbing...my point was that many of you were begining to sound exactly like the jerks you were complaining about...you know the ones! you sound like an HD forum complaint box....have fun!
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| | | daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,731 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jan 2011 - 18:20 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: Kando) | | | | many of you were begining to sound exactly like the jerks you were complaining about |
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I'll repeat something i mentioned a while back. A situation i ran into in the desert. I pulled up to 4 HD riders taking a break and nicely asked for directions. they began toying with me like some scene out of a old rebel biker gang movie. And again, thats not the first time i've had run in's along those lines with HD riders and never once with any other. I only mention it because it's the latest one.
My point is this....i wouldn't even REMOTELY CONSIDER doing that crap to someone. Now look at the quote from you and explain to me how what i've said here in this thread even comes remotely close to treating others like shit the way they did me? And like i said, i've run into this kind of crap from harley riders all my life, so don't bother citing it as a "single incident". 
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| | | Kando | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/11/2009 | | Posts | : | 780 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jan 2011 - 21:25 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: daz) | | | not doubting this happened Daz as I have had similar incidents with both HD and other makes. It seems as though the majority of incidents mentioned here are HD related and that makes sense since most of those pukes are jealous of what we ride.
Again my whole point is by berating them on our forum makes us sound like them.......peace brother! no harm intended, just making MY point like everyone else....
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,731 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jan 2011 - 22:20 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: Kando) | | | Well, i just don't see it like that. If they are pukes, i will talk about them in that respect. ALWAYS with the disclaimer that i am generalizing because not every one of them is like that. But lets face the fact that hardly davidson is the only bike that people who ARE tough asshole wannabes choose ! I have never seen that tough guy gang mentality in any other bike brand, not even an inkling of it.
I don't wear kid gloves when it comes to jackasses in case you haven't noticed. I don't do the things that they do which cause me to go ballistic on these forums. I just don't. And when others do I feel i have a perfect right, even a DUTY to make it known who and what they are. You can believe what you want, and no disrespect to you by the way because you are not one of them. But you can believe that what i'm saying is incorrect. I happen to know for a fact that at least where i live, it IS correct. And so i call it as i see it. I have 3 friends with harleys and none of them are the types i'm talking about at least one ribs me about my bike whatever i have, but he's not an asshole.
The fact is there is a segment of bikers that want to be badass pricks, and that image has and always will be associated only with HD because of the fact that the hells angels and other outlaw gangs only rode harleys. Therefore all those types with extremely rare exception choose harleys. Thats a fact, not my opinion. By the way, awhile back a couple "hessions" gang members rode by me on the freeway in the fast lane on harleys of course, and they passed me IN MY LANE at about 85-90 MPH, one on each side of me ! Damn near made me lose it as they rode by purposely to freak me out and within a few inches of me on each side. After that i watched them flip off several cars for no good reason. Sorry, but thats not common with any other brand of bike. In the history of mankind i doubt that has ever happened before where the riders were on anything but a HD. I could go on and on, but we'll just have to disagree i guess. But i WILL continue to speak my mind on the subject when it comes up. Again kando, no disrespect to you. I just feel your wrong on the subject. The aholes that ride other brands may be aholes if you meet and talk to them and put yourself in the position of hearing them out. But they don't do the kind of things like i just described to strangers to show how badass they are.
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| | | Kando | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/11/2009 | | Posts | : | 780 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jan 2011 - 23:10 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: daz) | | | Daz for the most part I am agreeing with you on those types and yes in "most" not all cases they may ride HD because as you say it's associated with being badass. But as you just described being passed on both sides by idot gang members.
Have you ever been "cruising" along a nice winding two laner on a Triumph Sprint ST doing a comfortable 70mph and been passed, by several squids on big liter sport bikes with full leathers, on both sides mid corner?! Well I have and none of these were HD riders just road racer wannbees in their $2000 leather suites with knee pucks filed down to look good!
One last time Daz it's not the bike but the rider and that's what we agree to disagree on.
Ride safe!
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,731 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jan 2011 - 23:22 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: Kando) | | | Yes, i've had those squid episodes too. The difference is they are just fools who want to go fast and on a mt road they have no other lane to pass you in. Those guys i mentioned had 5 lanes to choose from and did what they did for one reason only. If thats not obvious from my description, i think the fact they then went on to give several cars the finger for absolutely no reason. The squid thing is a whole different thing, not to mention most are 20 somethings while these imbeciles i speak of are 2-3 times that age, and age which you would think a person should have some degree of sense. Do you really think those squids did that just to scare the hell out of you? Did they want to hurt you? Did they flip you off? hell no....they're just stupid kids playing boy racer. Idiots, yes, but not violent assholes who would just as soon beat your ass as look at you.
And it is not the bike itself, it's the rider, yes. But my point is that the type of crapbag i'm talking about happens to ride a HD just about every time.
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| | | Kando | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/11/2009 | | Posts | : | 780 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 31 Jan 2011 - 00:43 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: daz) | | | okay okay I can see we aren't getting anywhere here Daz, as I now have another point to which we don't agree.
No the squid punks did not flip me off, but did almost killed me by passing that way they did on both sides at over 100+ and on the wrong side of the road! the roads were clear and many places to pass me correctly on the left, they just decided to pass like idiots with no regard for me or anyone else for that matter. I consider them in the same class as the greasebags you refer to. Also I don't agree about the age thing, because I hve seen the squids when they take off their $1000 racer replica helmets and they range from young to as old as I am! I could be that there are more of these type of idiots on the West Coast and more HD idiots where you are.
Anyways this is getting a bit old.......at least we agree on the TBird although mine is Black.....and faster!
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,731 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 31 Jan 2011 - 01:08 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: Kando) | | | I'll just say one last thing. It's not the act, it's the intention behind it. I don't see squids even remotely close to the types i'm talking about. These type would just as easily kill you as do the things i described. It's like comparing a guy who robs a liqueur store clerk at gunpoint to a guy who kills someone while drunk driving.
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| | | EnGage | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 31 Jan 2011 - 14:12 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: daz) | | | The issue with Harley riders is that they come in two flavors. There are the one percenters and the rest of the crowd. As for the rest of the crowd, this is from my local paper: "nearly two-thirds of their [Harley] buyers are between 35 and 54, with a median household income of about $84,300".
This is a great book that chronicles an ATF agent that went undercover with the Mongol Nation in LA Link Daz - I suspect you bump into the types described in this book because of where you live.
Many of us in other parts of the country just see the 35 to 54 year-old professionals living their dream of owning a motorcycle.
Just a guess, but perhaps that's why we are seeing differing viewpoints.
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| | Posted : 31 Jan 2011 - 14:56 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: EnGage) | | |
EnGage wrote:
The issue with Harley riders is that they come in two flavors. There are the one percenters and the rest of the crowd. As for the rest of the crowd, this is from my local paper: "nearly two-thirds of their [Harley] buyers are between 35 and 54, with a median household income of about $84,300".
This is a great book that chronicles an ATF agent that went undercover with the Mongol Nation in LA Link Daz - I suspect you bump into the types described in this book because of where you live.
Many of us in other parts of the country just see the 35 to 54 year-old professionals living their dream of owning a motorcycle.
Just a guess, but perhaps that's why we are seeing differing viewpoints. |
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Looks like a good read. Certainly wouldn't want to mess with those AH's. I can see daz's point. You just don't know who you are messing with. Luckily they are in a minority.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,731 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 31 Jan 2011 - 15:31 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: EnGage) | | | Absolutely. If you read back i have suggested this several times, if not in this thread (tho i think so) in others that it may be where i am. But you can look at that both ways....more riders of ALL bikes and kinds, and still never a run in with anyone but a HD rider. So i see it all here to be sure. And just like in a research study, you cannot make a accurate determination w/o a large group and good cross section of people. You might say i'm a biker researcher by birthplace. 
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| | | EnGage | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 31 Jan 2011 - 16:02 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: mat1600) | | | mat1600 wrote:
Looks like a good read. Certainly wouldn't want to mess with those AH's. I can see daz's point. You just don't know who you are messing with. Luckily they are in a minority.
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It's a fascinating read - I couldn't put the book down. This guy went undercover at substantial risk to his life if discovered. He actually rose to the rank of Treasurer, but came close to being discovered as well. His work put a lot of people in prison and he now lives in the witness protection program.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,731 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 31 Jan 2011 - 16:12 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: EnGage) | | | Yeah, i remember that, tho not from reading the book. I think i saw a documentary on it at one time. as to running into them here, yeah i have. Not the mongols but others like the hessions guys i mentioned. But most of the ones i run into aren't. The gang guys always wear jackets with thier logo. Most i run into are simply wannabess. But the whole point i'm been trying to make is every one of those real gangs or wannabes all with almost no exception ride harleys. And there are wannabes all the way from people who try and be like them in every sense to the highest degree possible to ones who just try and look and act bad but then put a suit and tie on monday thru friday. Some just want to be assholes but aren't. Some are more than assholes. But none ride anything but a HD.
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| | Posted : 31 Jan 2011 - 20:32 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: daz) | | | daz wrote:
Yeah, i remember that, tho not from reading the book. I think i saw a documentary on it at one time. as to running into them here, yeah i have. Not the mongols but others like the hessions guys i mentioned. But most of the ones i run into aren't. The gang guys always wear jackets with thier logo. Most i run into are simply wannabess. But the whole point i'm been trying to make is every one of those real gangs or wannabes all with almost no exception ride harleys. And there are wannabes all the way from people who try and be like them in every sense to the highest degree possible to ones who just try and look and act bad but then put a suit and tie on monday thru friday. Some just want to be assholes but aren't. Some are more than assholes. But none ride anything but a HD. |
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I wear motorcycle colors on my vest and I ride a Triumph. Not only that, but I've come to understand that a few folks here think I'm an asshole. Go figure.
Sorry Daz, but it sounds like there are more underlying issues here than a motorcycle brand.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,731 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 31 Jan 2011 - 21:29 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: MickeyBoy) | | | No idea what wearing a triumph jacket has to do with anything i said, but whatever.
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| | Posted : 31 Jan 2011 - 23:13 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: daz) | | | daz wrote:
No idea what wearing a triumph jacket has to do with anything i said, but whatever. |
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I said, "I wear motorcycle colors on my vest and I ride a Triumph."
That would mean motorcycle club colors on a leather vest that I wear over a leather jacket and ride a Trumpet, not a Harley Davidson. I also personally know about 20 Mongols and HA's and have never had a problem with either. In San Diego the HA's drink at one of the VFW's. In Temecula, the Mongols are the "Felony Flats" bikers, hardcore, but straight up. Most (99.99%), of the 1%'ers actually avoid causing problems with other because they don't want the cops to come down hard on their club, so for you to have problems with them means you have encountered the .01% of those guys. If you are going to have problems with a bike gang it will be the crotch rocket clubs, but if they get out of hand most still answer to either the HA's or Mongols. Hessians are a patriotic group and openly support vets. I rode with a few of them on a ride from San Diego to Lake Tahoe a few years back. They rode with me from Bishop to Bridgeport. Never had a problem. They have a club in Devore, CA. Again, bikers are not a bad lot. At least not in my opinion.
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| | | Kando | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/11/2009 | | Posts | : | 780 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 31 Jan 2011 - 23:56 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: MickeyBoy) | | | I agree Mickey as I have met a few HAs and have a best friend that was a HA and they are all stand up guys. I was invited to a HA event at their clubhouse but was really pretty nervous riding my Triumph Sprint at that time. My freind said don't worry about it we'll have a good time great food and watch a fight on HBO. As it turns out he introduced me to the Local HA club President, who of all road a BMW as his old HDs were too rough on his back!!! and he was the Pres. one big dude about 275, looked meaner than a wild boar on steroids but was a real nice guy. Like I said before my experience with the crotch rocket racer wannabes has always been far worse than with any Harley rider I have met.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,731 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Feb 2011 - 01:24 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: MickeyBoy) | | | MickeyBoy wrote:
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Yeah, i believe you're right, as the ones i encountered "saluted" about 5 cars. Wouldn't you know, the one and only time i ever ran into that gang i happened upon that .01%
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| | Posted : 02 Feb 2011 - 02:48 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: daz) | | | Come on guys, I started this thread to highlight an ignorant salesman who got his pompous attitude thrown back at him. This has now degraded into an "oh yeah i am right because of xyz", a pissing contest if you will. Mick you are biased toward the HD crowd and see things from your perspective, and that is ok but it does not mean what others convey is wrong or it does not happen. Daz, you are hyper sensitive towards the HD crowd, and that is ok but realize your point of view might be skewed like Mick's is.
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| | Posted : 02 Feb 2011 - 02:57 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: CornerBanger) | | | CornerBanger wrote:
Come on guys, I started this thread to highlight an ignorant salesman who got his pompous attitude thrown back at him. This has now degraded into an "oh yeah i am right because of xyz", a pissing contest if you will. Mick you are biased toward the HD crowd and see things from your perspective, and that is ok but it does not mean what others convey is wrong or it does not happen. Daz, you are hyper sensitive towards the HD crowd, and that is ok but realize your point of view might be skewed like Mick's is. |
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| | Posted : 02 Feb 2011 - 11:37 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: RedBird2010) | | | Yeah, being in Vietnam for two months without my bike is something I have to do. But these threads make good reading and help pass the time.
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| | Posted : 02 Feb 2011 - 14:50 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: CornerBanger) | | | CornerBanger wrote:
Come on guys, I started this thread to highlight an ignorant salesman who got his pompous attitude thrown back at him. This has now degraded into an "oh yeah i am right because of xyz", a pissing contest if you will. Mick you are biased toward the HD crowd and see things from your perspective, and that is ok but it does not mean what others convey is wrong or it does not happen. Daz, you are hyper sensitive towards the HD crowd, and that is ok but realize your point of view might be skewed like Mick's is. |
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Yes, I'm biased, but it's towards bikers. I would have defended Kawi's, Honda's, and Yami's just the same.
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| | Posted : 06 Feb 2011 - 21:50 Post title : Re: A bad day to be a HD salesman... Or good day (Re: CornerBanger) | | | It seems the only people(bike riders) that never heard of Triumph's are the young riders and RUB's. All the old HD bikers that I know remember or grew up riding Triumphs.
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