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| | | ataDude | | Chaac |  | | Reg. Date | : | 19/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 527 | | Location | : | Texas, United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Dec 2010 - 23:11 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: HoopsIRL) | | | Hey, now... what did I ever do to you?  I still have the slow 1600 and probably will stick with it. 
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| | | woody | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 874 | | Location | : | goulburn, nsw, Australia |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 01:51 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: ataDude) | | | G'day Fellas,
The extra sting sounds fantastic but I'm wondering how bad does it affect fuel economy not so much for the cost but for touring kms
per tank. Sometimes servos can be quite a distance apart here in Aus. Has anyone do a proper comparison?
Thanks Woody
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| | | daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,731 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 02:22 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: woody) | | |
woody wrote:
G'day Fellas,
The extra sting sounds fantastic but I'm wondering how bad does it affect fuel economy not so much for the cost but for touring kms
per tank. Sometimes servos can be quite a distance apart here in Aus. Has anyone do a proper comparison?
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I'd like to know too woody. I will see what mine does later when it's broken in with regular oil. I'm believe i'm getting less then when it was a 1600, but realize that i'm running break in oil that has no friction modifiers and can easily cause several MPG less, i suspect as much as 4 or 5 MPG. Add to that the fact that with the bike running as it is it's REAL hard to keep your right hand from bringing on the smiles.  seriously, i have been riding it harder than i did the 1600 because it's so much more fun. But i suspect when broken in and synthetic in it, riding the same as i did with the 1600 i bet it will get as good and possibly even better mileage. This is because it will require much less throttle to get the same acceleration. But i will see when i change out the break in oil. unfortunately the weather is about to turn to winter again after a amazing 80 degree weekend. So it may be a while b4 i get the chance to test it.
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| | | Thatch | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 04:16 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: daz) | | | I get about 2 mpg less than I did at 1600. However, I never ride with economy in mind so can't say with any real assuredness that is only a product of the upgrade, but on average that seems to be the effect.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,731 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 04:29 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: Thatch) | | | I like that...."I never ride w/economy in mind"...a polite way of saying you like to burn rubber !  Speaking of which, i burned out today at a red light accidentally. I was splitting lanes to get to the front and i always take off "in a non economical way" (LOL!) to get ahead of the cars who at that point are probably pissed at me anyway and will at times take off hard trying to pass me and put me in my place. I discovered today i can't do that anymore unless i either take great care with how i release the clutch or expect to burn rubber. If tires weren't so damn expensive i just might make a habit of it. I can now see how druid's brother i think it was said he had the tire smoking on down the road when he dropped the clutch with a fistfull of throttle from 10 MPH. Sounds fun, but i just can't do that to my bird, nor can i afford the $20 worth of tire it probably costs each time you do that.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | HoopsIRL | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 09/05/2010 | | Posts | : | 161 | | Location | : | Dun Laoghaire, Co. Dublin, Ireland |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 09:09 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: ataDude) | | |
ataDude wrote:
Hey, now... what did I ever do to you? I still have the slow 1600 and probably will stick with it. |
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Just kidding there ataDude...trying to fit the original thread posters into the Christmas tune...no offence intended! 
Me, I like my T-16 just fine the way it is as well. 
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| | | Druid | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,359 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 11:21 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: teebird) | | | It was indeed Daz. It was like the rear tire was trying to climb up his not inconsiderable arse. I can still smell the rubber now.
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| | | MickeyBoy | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 18/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 553 | | Location | : | WiNe CoUnTrY TeMeCuLa, Socialist State of Kalifornia, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 13:27 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: HoopsIRL) | | | HoopsIRL wrote:
ok.....OK........OK!! - shutup already!! .....you have me as jealous as hell!
I guess I will just have to live with my standard Birdy for a good while longer....which is not a problem, as I'm still loving it
Still...I'm Jealous....and just to prove it, I'm singin' this well known Christmas ditty!
Feck you'se all with boughs of holly,
Fa la la la la, la la la la.
Hope it bursts your rubber dolly,
Fa la la la la, la la la la
Bass & Brit_Steel, Matt & MickeyBoy,
Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
Druid, Rabbit, Keets & ataDude,
Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
Hoo_Rad loves Daz's BB
Fa la la la la, la la la LOL!
Further questions could be pervy,
Fa la la la la, feck yez all! 
Enjoy the BB folks!
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I still ride the 1600.......
for now.
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| | | MickeyBoy | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 553 | | Location | : | WiNe CoUnTrY TeMeCuLa, Socialist State of Kalifornia, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 13:32 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: daz) | | | daz wrote:
I like that...."I never ride w/economy in mind"...a polite way of saying you like to burn rubber ! Speaking of which, i burned out today at a red light accidentally. I was splitting lanes to get to the front and i always take off "in a non economical way" (LOL!) to get ahead of the cars who at that point are probably pissed at me anyway and will at times take off hard trying to pass me and put me in my place. I discovered today i can't do that anymore unless i either take great care with how i release the clutch or expect to burn rubber. If tires weren't so damn expensive i just might make a habit of it. I can now see how druid's brother i think it was said he had the tire smoking on down the road when he dropped the clutch with a fistfull of throttle from 10 MPH. Sounds fun, but i just can't do that to my bird, nor can i afford the $20 worth of tire it probably costs each time you do that. |
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We're the only state that allows lane splitting. For such a communist, we-know-what's-best-for-you state, California is pretty lenient on bikers.
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| | | EnGage | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 13:36 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: MickeyBoy) | | | MickeyBoy wrote:
We're the only state that allows lane splitting. For such a communist, we-know-what's-best-for-you state, California is pretty lenient on bikers. |
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That's because are so congested that without lane splitting, no one would ever make it to work!
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| | | MickeyBoy | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 553 | | Location | : | WiNe CoUnTrY TeMeCuLa, Socialist State of Kalifornia, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 13:40 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: EnGage) | | | Oh so true. In January I start commuting to L.A. to work at an Army Reserve Center in Bell, CA. 80 miles each way on my bird. My current ride to Camp Pendleton is 45 miles each way.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,731 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 14:02 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: MickeyBoy) | | |
MickeyBoy wrote:
We're the only state that allows lane splitting. For such a communist, we-know-what's-best-for-you state, California is pretty lenient on bikers. |
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Agreed....i've always wondered why they'd allow it anywhere let alone here. It's a dangerous maneuver IMO, and i only use it in certain situations, mainly between stopped cars at a light to get past all the potential texters and such. But it's legal even on the freeways and i see guys doing it in a fashion that is really scary. why it's legal is so beyond me because there are laws against other things much less dangerous.
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 14:11 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: MickeyBoy) | | |
MickeyBoy wrote:
We're the only state that allows lane splitting. For such a communist, we-know-what's-best-for-you state, California is pretty lenient on bikers. |
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Funny, that word 'allow.' A fairly new possession, my motor license. Studying for the test and with the field trainers, I understand now
that we are simply, currently, not prohibited (well enough)
There is nothing mentioned about lane splitting in the law, that I have been able to find.
- two vehicle can NOT occupy the same lane space.
- changing lanes back and forth is RECKLESS
These are answers from the test.  All the 'rules' about relative speed of traffic, etc, don't exist.
But, the loophole is there. No expressed prohibition against a motor going down the middle, neither
occupying nor weaving.
But, the Cops can cite you at any point for reckless driving and wanton disregard of the law. You may be pissed off enough
to throw the RESISTING charge, as well. Has happened. So, I'm not sure about 'lenient' either.
Didn't they just impound a bunch of bikes near Temecula? Some town, in SoCal. Had a show and the Chief of Police
decided to round up the "loud pipes." He impounded dozens of out of town bikes.  Now, there is the No-Mod law, in CA.
BTW, I split for miles on Thanksgiving day. A BLESSING.
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| | | EnGage | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 14:43 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: DizzE) | | | DizzE wrote:
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There is nothing mentioned about lane splitting in the law, that I have been able to find.
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That's how I understand it, i.e., California law does not state that lane splitting is OK, but the choose to allow it if done in a "safely".
Or, at least, that what is stated in the book "Proficient Motorcycling"
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,731 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 15:20 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: EnGage) | | | yes...according to the CHP website....
| Lane splitting is permissible if done in a safe and prudent manner |
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I think it's pretty easy to read thier intentions with the way they word it. Basically they are giving themselves the right to use thier own judgment to decide if someone who is splitting lanes is deserving of a ticket. Obviously they word things like this which can be taken the wrong way. For example, if a biker were to ride between lanes of stopped cars on a freeway at the speed limit he would not be breaking any laws if not for the above disclaimer. yet it would be horrifically dangerous. So the wording allows the cops to deal with that kind of thing. The "basic speed law" as they call it is the same type of thing. it states "never drive faster than is safe". this gives them the ability to cite you for anything they deem dangerous.
So what it comes down to is that barring corrupt cops, lane splitting is 100% legal, but like anything else, if you do it stupidly you can be cited. "Unsafe lane changes" being another in this category. Like lane splitting it would take a book to describe all the ways i could be wrong or right, so instead they just use that phrase to give them the right to decide whether or not you deserve a ticket. Splitting lanes IS indeed a maneuver that has greater potential for disaster if done foolishly. so i can see why they add that disclaimer.
On a side note, I do it even on the freeway at times when theres an accident and i'm stuck in stop and go. But i am ultra careful and one of the things that i consider extremely important to watch for is something i sometimes see other riders ignoring, and it scares the hell out of me. What i'm talking about is when you split lanes and come up on an area where there is a car in one of the lanes but there is an empty space in the lane next to him and you are between those 2 lanes. In a case like that the car may decide to change lanes and you're roadkill. As long as there is a car next to them they won't be changing lanes. granted, there are accidents that happen when a car changes lanes into another because they failed to look first. But your chances of that happening are probably 1,000,000 times less likely than a car changing lanes as they do regularly. when i see guys doing that it makes me cringe.
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| | | Druid | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,359 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 16:14 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: daz) | | | Lane splitting over here or, "filtering" of one kind or another , is common practice and is used by every rider in the country extensivly over here in the UK. We have so much traffic that no one thinks twice about it . The example you cite with the space, we see as an oppotunity to get into a safe area which is where the TBird comes into its own . The torque allows you to punch into the space and evaluate your next manouver . Just the same as seeing a part of the road open up between cars that you can hop into to get around a slower lane. If you were over here it would become second nature.
Filtering on the M25 for 10 miles with cages doing 0-10mph , lorries one side mad Meg and her IPhone and makeup remover on the other you soon want to get the hell outa there I tell ya.
Another good reason to get the BB kit in my eyes . Thats my excuse anyway
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| | | MickeyBoy | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 553 | | Location | : | WiNe CoUnTrY TeMeCuLa, Socialist State of Kalifornia, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 16:58 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: daz) | | | I lane split all the time. The 15 and 91 freeways are habitual parking lots during rush hour. I usually run with other bikes at about 25-35 mph while splitting lanes. I keep my high beam and highway lights on as well as constantly rev the BC exhaust. I also watch side view mirrors for eye contact. Splitting is easiest between the #1 and #2 lane only because everyone else is merging for the off ramp. I also enjoy running the carpool lane whenever I can.
When I drive my suburban to or from work it takes 1½ hours on average. On the bird, with lane splitting, takes 55-60 minutes.
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| | | MickeyBoy | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 553 | | Location | : | WiNe CoUnTrY TeMeCuLa, Socialist State of Kalifornia, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 17:16 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: DizzE) | | | DizzE wrote:
- two vehicle can NOT occupy the same lane space. |
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Isn't that the Law of Physics?
Didn't they just impound a bunch of bikes near Temecula? Some town, in SoCal. Had a show and the Chief of Police
decided to round up the "loud pipes." He impounded dozens of out of town bikes. Now, there is the No-Mod law, in CA. |
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Not in Temecula that I know of. I spent the weekend riding with the Patriot Guard laying wreaths at National Cemeteries on Saturday and attended a Christmas Party at MCAS Miramar on Sunday. We escorted Santa into the party. He was in an FA-18.
That's Mrs. Mick's helmet hanging on the bike.
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 17:48 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: Druid) | | |
Druid wrote:
Another good reason to get the BB kit in my eyes . Thats my excuse anyway
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,731 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 18:14 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: MickeyBoy) | | |
MickeyBoy wrote:
I spent the weekend riding with the Patriot Guard laying wreaths at National Cemeteries on Saturday and attended a Christmas Party at MCAS Miramar on Sunday. We escorted Santa into the party. He was in an FA-18.
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Another triumph guy over at one of the other forums ride with them too. He's retired military and very passionate about the PG.
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| | | ataDude | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 19/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 527 | | Location | : | Texas, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Dec 2010 - 20:01 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: HoopsIRL) | | |
HoopsIRL wrote:
Just kidding there ataDude...trying to fit the original thread posters into the Christmas tune...no offence intended! |
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I know... just giving you a hard time.
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| | | Sam77 | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 469 | | Location | : | Finland |
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| | Posted : 16 Dec 2010 - 20:22 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: ataDude) | | | Got finally estimated value of my bike (compared to new TB Storm) today and it seems pretty clear that I'll be riding with my TB16 next summer too. Dealer was asking something between 5 - 6 thousand euros and I thought it'll be 'little' too much for one season (6 months) of riding...
Well anyhow, TB16 will be TB17 in next few months if everything goes well. The thing that I was most afraid, that my dealer has not done any bb-kit conversions yet, seemed to be true. Owner of the place tell not to worry as they have professional bike builder associate in the capital of Finland and if they can/will/want do it themselves, they'd still give me an option to choose in which place I want it to be made.
I also asked price for heated grips, TT-bars and tubular rack and will be hearing the whole cost in next few days. After all I'm glad as this might give me the opportunity to travel abroad a bit next summer.
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| | | zolti | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 09 Jan 2011 - 17:16 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: Sam77) | | | just out of curiosity daz
or anyothers who have either got the bb done
what did thhe dealer quote for labour.
i got a quote from the local dealer of 10 hours at £55/ hour
i didnt get a quote offsetting the 12000 mile service but there would be a discount for that route.
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| | | SeanS | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 17/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,179 | | Location | : | Matlock, Derbyshire UK, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 09 Jan 2011 - 17:21 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: zolti) | | |
zolti wrote:
just out of curiosity daz
or anyothers who have either got the bb done
what did thhe dealer quote for labour.
i got a quote from the local dealer of 10 hours at £55/ hour
i didnt get a quote offsetting the 12000 mile service but there would be a discount for that route. |
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Hi Zolti
Was thinking the same after quote I got for PX. My 12k service is coming up so not a bad thought to get done at same time. Will yet you know what cost I'm quoted.
Regards
Sean
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| | | zolti | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 09 Jan 2011 - 19:00 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: SeanS) | | | px!!
px was an insult...
offered me £6500, against a 1700 stock, more like scrap value. wish id got a HD
show me anywhere where you get a tb for that money??
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| | | BlueNose | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 29/09/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,478 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 09 Jan 2011 - 19:51 Post title : Re: Should you get the BB? (Re: zolti) | | |
zolti wrote:
px!!
px was an insult...
offered me £6500, against a 1700 stock, more like scrap value. wish id got a HD
show me anywhere where you get a tb for that money?? |
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You need to go see my mate at A1 Moto, York (Triumph dealer) - he'll give you more than £6,500. Also my mate will be in the market for one soon - getting him off his rice burner.
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