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| | | DizzE | | Thor |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Sep 2010 - 23:19 Post title : Paint screw up | | | I reassembled the clutch clamp so that little tab on the bottom caught the paint. I got it pretty good, I'm afraid.
Any ideas on the best way to proceed, since it's a fresh wound? A drop of clear? Can it be fixed? I know,
how can I be so.....? Oh wait, I've already forgiven myself, never mind. 
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| | | daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,729 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Sep 2010 - 23:36 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: DizzE) | | | ARRRRG!!! Sorry dizze......I know the feeling. I dropped a socket on mine and put a pin head sized chip in it. they can be fixed, tho the results depend in several things. I've done this many times on guitars, so i tried it on my tank and it's about 80% better. The problem is filling the chip with the proper color. You can get paint pens but they are around $25 and all you need is less than a drop, so it's hard to bite the bullet and pay $25 for a drop of paint !
Anyways, i got some metallic blue testors for about $.59 cents and it was close but a bit lighter than my paint. Added a bit of black and mixed it till it matched. dropped a bit in just to coat the chip using a magnifier to see what i was doing. Then once dry i filled the hole with super glue about 2 or 3 times a day or so apart to let it cure and sink in. Once it was built up above the finish i used the magnifier again to scrape it as level as i could with a exacto blade. then # 1500 wet and dry paper with water till it appeared smooth and level with the surrounding finish and finally polished out with a heavier grade of polish then a finer one. It's a bit of a pain, and if you've never done it it can be tough to get right, but it does work to some degree. I've done them where they became totally invisible, but usually when it's chipped past the color coat like yours and mine it's really hard to make totally invisible. Mine is close but not quite. I feel for ya man. If i were nearby i'd help you with it if i could. But like i say, getting the color right w/o a factory color pen is gonna be tough. i got lucky in that i was able to find testors in a close metallic color. heres a site that carries pens and you can search for your bike's color. I found my factory blue and white pens, but like i said, at $25 screw that ! (might have been $20+5 shipping, somewhre around there anyways) Link
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,729 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Sep 2010 - 23:41 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: daz) | | | Well, looked at the colorrite site and they only show the three regular Tbird colors. You can get the paint code for yours from the triumph site tho. I think it's under "technical" if i recall, and then see if they have it by that number because it may be used on other brands/models.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Sep 2010 - 23:59 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: daz) | | | Ah, good news, thanks. I've done this kind of repair on gel coat finishes..fill, scrape, sand, buff, polish. It's exacting not to make
a bigger mess and color match is always a pita. I wonder if Triumph has any Phantom Red Haze for sale.
So, is the super glue step to take the place of a clear coat for sealing/toughing?
The most difficult is polishing Plexiglas back to optical. I never had the patience to do an entire canopy for example, but that's
what most aircraft homebuilders end up doing. I've worked with purpose made wet sponges down to grit #25000. |sigh>
It's gonna be a lot of work.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,729 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Sep 2010 - 00:28 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: DizzE) | | | Actually, polishing out to the final finish is the easy part. I did it in maybe 5 minutes tops. It's getting the color right and covering every part of the chip. Then the glues acts to create a level finish filling in the hole and also acting like the clear coat. The process is easy aside from getting the primer area in the hole covered and the color matched. Even If you get that right it will look like it's not gonna work, but once the super glue is sanded and polished out it can be amazing.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Sep 2010 - 01:07 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: daz) | | | Right, thanks. Auto Body Repair 101. Paint can't fill. I'd forgotten about that. Work in the paint with a tooth pic?
How many "coats?" I'm glad the glue will polish if I don't make a mess. Glue myself to the paint job. not funny.
I'd guess there is plenty of youtube about this subject. I don't think I want any wax/filth/grime in it so I'd best
get cracking. Oh yeah, need paint.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,729 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Sep 2010 - 01:40 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: DizzE) | | | yeah, or a paper matchstick with the end cut at an angle to create a point. It wicks into the paper better than wood and makes it easier to get jst the right amount and it also allows the drop to sit on the tip. Also the paper gets soft and can act more like a paintbrush making it easier to apply accurately. With a toothpick it may cling to the side and not the tip and hard to get it to touch the tank and then transfer. Be careful with the glue and just paint it on a bit at a time. Touching the dent with too much of a a droplet on the end may cause it to go in the dent AND up and over the edge of the crater and spread out over a 1/2" or such. just paint it in a bit at a time and build it up a bit, dry a day, repeat till filled.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Sep 2010 - 02:34 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: daz) | | | ah, layers of glue, I see...thanks. I like the match paper idea...apply magnification, patience, mask out the field of operation,
(I'll throw in) try to act-like-a-craftsman-for-once-in-my-life-for-crying-out-loud......got it.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,729 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Sep 2010 - 03:19 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: DizzE) | | | Take your time and good luck.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | Kando | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 08/11/2009 | | Posts | : | 780 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Sep 2010 - 04:27 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: daz) | | | check out Link
they do motorcycle oem colors.
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| | | EnGage | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Sep 2010 - 13:32 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: DizzE) | | | DizzE wrote:
Right, thanks. Auto Body Repair 101. Paint can't fill. I'd forgotten about that. Work in the paint with a tooth pic?
How many "coats?" I'm glad the glue will polish if I don't make a mess. Glue myself to the paint job. not funny.
I'd guess there is plenty of youtube about this subject. I don't think I want any wax/filth/grime in it so I'd best
get cracking. Oh yeah, need paint. |
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Actually, on a chip like yours, you should be able to dab in enough paint to fill the chip. Then sand down and follow Daz's instructions and you'll be fine.
If you are like me and like to see pictures and various approaches, google "how to repair a paint chip".
Let us know the specifics of the method you choose and the result.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,729 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Sep 2010 - 14:23 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: EnGage) | | | The problem with that tho engage is this is metallic paint, and you shouldn't really sand and polish it because ot won't look right or be smooth due to the metal flakes in it. It has to have a clear coat. So the glue is pretty necassary with this fix. Plus it does help in matching the clear coat's look. You can do it that way on the non metallic colors, and it DOES have an advantage there in that you won't get any sort of optical weirdness when the color coat is deeper than the surrounding area. I got that with a chip on my fender in the non metallic white stripe and i had no color to put in it. It was deep, but not past the color coat. So i cleaned out the dent and tried to smooth the inside then filled it with SG. Optically you can see it's a crater, tho about 70% less than b4 i did it. But with metallic that doesn't happen as much because of the way it reflects, and unless it's a pretty big chip you won't be able to tell. Should have tried to match it i guess, but it's really hard to match white non metallic and as on the tank i didn't want to spend 20 bucks for a drop of paint.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Sep 2010 - 14:48 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: daz) | | | Here''s the Triumph paint code page...but no Red Haze that I can see. One dealer referred to it as "cherry." "Black Cherry" is what I thought I heard.
CHERRY BLACK DUPONT BEC 650 T3120300-PB
CHERRY RED DUPONT BEC 368 T3120300-TB
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Sep 2010 - 16:58 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: DizzE) | | | So, the Triumph parts guy just confirmed there is no paint for my vin #. !!! (yet) So, if they smash it in the shop,
they can only say they are sorry. (I noticed that they don't used any service covers that I've seen, anyway.)
Best bet, says he, take it to a custom auto body and have them match by Mark 1, stroke naught, eyeball.
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Sep 2010 - 22:00 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: DizzE) | | | Went over to the next county on the advice of some local paint restoration guys. Yep, Santa Cruz
still allows one to buy real auto body paint. No, not that water base stuff, de gooood stuuuff, man.
The considered opinion of the speciallty paint store owner was then combined with the curmudgeonly
gentleman from the bike painting shop next door. (Ya think that can beat a Harley? How fast can it
go?) OK, back to the subject. Oh, also, the computer, camera thingy concurred.
The professional advice rendered was, "Use super high quality Black." I bought a little bit..$15, and sandpapers.
The reasoning is, this custom paint job is feathered and layered...Hazed...from the base color,
with black, then a darker cherry red metal flake, then more black...maybe 4 different shades above the
primer. Since they see it as a ding in the base/black/cherry/black section; densely pigmented, high gloss
Black is what "they" would use. Build up the glue layers, polish it and "you'll never see it."
And sure enough, if you look close in the sun, you can see where there is red-black but no metal flake. These
areas are about, it was pointed out, the size and shape of the ding. If you add any color, all best are off.
Of course, he could recommend a shop that could fix it.
There was a lack of surprise that there wasn't a touch-up color for it. "Never will be."
Actually, it was more like scoffing.
And the parting remark from the bike painter, "S**t, don't worry about, paint it some other color later."
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,729 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Sep 2010 - 23:33 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: DizzE) | | | Is it in an area where the black and red are blending?
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 16 Sep 2010 - 00:49 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: daz) | | | No, it's well up into the flat, uniform dark top of the tank. I'm still not decided. But, the word is this deep look is from translucent
layers and the reflectivity. The folks that sent me over there said they can't get any metal flake matching with the
water based lacquer polymer whatever. It just has a different reflection. Perfect color, wrong refection.
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 18 Sep 2010 - 21:02 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: DizzE) | | | Link
Making some progress...hi-res above, but I did remember to reset the camera after a while.
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| | | EnGage | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 18 Sep 2010 - 21:25 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: DizzE) | | | Looks like you are operating. We should start calling you Dr. DizzE
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Sep 2010 - 18:27 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: EnGage) | | | Deltron paint...in this case, 2000 CAPA base. Great smell, reminds me of model airplane dope with
the nutty resolve of fine epoxy. No, I'm not a reformed huffer, I was a metal shop painter in an early job.
I've done a few cars, but my finest was an experimental airplane in sleek fiberglass. Had it all together,
practiced skill, youth, finest paints, high CFM booth built for the plane. I was allowed to take my time, most
importantly.
It was silver. 12 coats of clear. The secret is the precision sanding. Light clear coat, light sanding..repeat.
About a year later, the guy smashed it, but I never saw that part...or parts. And, I've never fixed a paint ding.
So, I think, after three coats of black, I'm ready for the fill stage. I have a nice even crater now, made even
edged from a micro-sanding technique I read about...a drop of super glue, #1500 paper, soft, dry touch.
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 22 Oct 2010 - 14:30 Post title : Re: Paint screw up (Re: DizzE) | | | I'll just post a few pics to finish up this thread. I couldn't get a meaningful finished pic. Too shiny.
You could make it out, if I showed it to you. It's just a slight dimple in the reflection. I put that
to using 1000 grit to work down the glue. I brought home a 1500 sheet and a 2500 for
finishing, as you see here. But, it was windy and I think the 1500 must have taken off
down the street. #1500 on the pencil eraser is the way to go.
Feels good. I pranged it, resetting the clutch and I fixed it.
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