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| | Posted : 09 Sep 2010 - 17:35 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: CornerBanger) | | | JASO MA1 has (if I recall the conversation correct) a bit more phosphorus not than car oil-which has it almost removed due to the EPA.
This was all explained to me by an oil enginner-I may be remembering the element wrong but the basic thought is correct-something to do with the EPA.
As for car oil, I watched my Triumph certified master machanic remove a slipping clutch in the shop. The owner used syn car oil (his statement to me) for 10,000 miles-and the clutch was toast. Some never have an issue but that was enough for me. Any JASO MA is fine is what I'm told.
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| | Posted : 09 Sep 2010 - 17:49 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: KingOfFleece) | | | | KingOfFleece wrote: (...)As for car oil, I watched my Triumph certified master machanic remove a slipping clutch in the shop. The owner used syn car oil (his statement to me) for 10,000 miles-and the clutch was toast. Some never have an issue but that was enough for me. Any JASO MA is fine is what I'm told. |
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All that I have to respond to that , is that I've been using a car type of synthetic oil in my bikes (& there were several of them...) for over 50kkm each... & I've NEVER!!! & once again : NEVER!!! experianced any kind of clutch slippin'... 
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| | Posted : 09 Sep 2010 - 18:00 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: CornerBanger) | | |
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1. I looked at the engine after he took it all apart and the bearing and rod journals looked great, no scaring, no copper showing on the bearings. I, like you, dont take the "my mechanic said" as the gospel. |
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I understand, but being the skeptic i am, and yes, i AM VERY skeptical because my life experience has given me good reason to be, i look at this as i look at most things....no A/B test proves little. In other words, you don't know that the engine wouldn't have looked the same had it been run on M1. Again, i don't doubt amsoil is great oil, but there is no way for us to know short of running identical engines the same way over long periods with different oils and comparing. Amsoil did as good as can be, so i'm sure theres no reason for you not to use it. For me i would look at it like this....if i COULD get either at the same price, then seeing what you did i WOULD choose amsoil because while M1 may well be as good, it can't be better than that, and i don't know whether it is as good. But as it stands i know amsoil is that good if i can believe you, and i do, but neither of us have reason to believe M1 isn't as good. It's been said that if you change your oil at good intervals, any of todays synthetics are so good there should be no difference. But as i said, i can't find it locally, so shipping fees will make it very expensive oil for me.
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actually, when i stated 3k i did so regarding what i read about shear factor in bikes and how begins at 3k with any oil, tho less so of course with synth. I've never felt 3k was necassary in recent times with cars. Even back in the day i went well over that and never had problems. Well, except this one old beater i drove for years only changing the oil maybe every 50k.  you shoulda seen the smoke it spewed later on after it began eating a quart every tank of gas. I think that was when i first relized how important oil was 
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| | Posted : 09 Sep 2010 - 18:18 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: Axelrosebud) | | |
Axelrosebud wrote:
| KingOfFleece wrote: (...)As for car oil, I watched my Triumph certified master machanic remove a slipping clutch in the shop. The owner used syn car oil (his statement to me) for 10,000 miles-and the clutch was toast. Some never have an issue but that was enough for me. Any JASO MA is fine is what I'm told. |
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All that I have to respond to that , is that I've been using a car type of synthetic oil in my bikes (& there were several of them...) for over 50kkm each... & I've NEVER!!! & once again : NEVER!!! experianced any kind of clutch slippin'... |
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It is not all about the clutch. What do you have to say about the shearing effect the transmission does on oils that starts to break them down at 1,500 miles? Read this link Link about car oils vs motorcycle oils pay special attention to the "Choosing a oil for your motorcycle" and tell me what you think... Other than that i could care less who runs what oil and how often they change it because I do not have a vested interest. This is precisely the reason I rarely give an opinion on products because it turns into a fruitless debate with no resolution. 
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| | Posted : 09 Sep 2010 - 18:52 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: CornerBanger) | | |
CornerBanger wrote:
Axelrosebud wrote:
| KingOfFleece wrote: (...)As for car oil, I watched my Triumph certified master machanic remove a slipping clutch in the shop. The owner used syn car oil (his statement to me) for 10,000 miles-and the clutch was toast. Some never have an issue but that was enough for me. Any JASO MA is fine is what I'm told. |
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All that I have to respond to that , is that I've been using a car type of synthetic oil in my bikes (& there were several of them...) for over 50kkm each... & I've NEVER!!! & once again : NEVER!!! experianced any kind of clutch slippin'... |
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It is not all about the clutch. What do you have to say about the shearing effect the transmission does on oils that starts to break them down at 1,500 miles? Read this link Link about car oils vs motorcycle oils pay special attention to the "Choosing a oil for your motorcycle" and tell me what you think... Other than that i could care less who runs what oil and how often they change it because I do not have a vested interest. This is precisely the reason I rarely give an opinion on products because it turns into a fruitless debate with no resolution. |
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I posted a piece from Calsci earlier on. To me, if Amsoil (and Delvac-1, Redline, and Motul 5100) are PAO-based and mobil 1, like the other major brands, has switched to Group III based oils (which to many, really isn't synthetic) as Calsci suggests then I would believe that Amsoil, Delvac-1, Redline, and Motul 5100 have and edge over Mobile 1.
However they are all good oils and I'm not sure our bikes would notice a difference without going crazy long on oil change intervals.
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| | Posted : 09 Sep 2010 - 19:12 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: EnGage) | | | | CornerBanger wrote: (...) |
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All that I have to respond to that , is that I've been using a car type of synthetic oil in my bikes (& there were several of them...) for over 50kkm each... & I've NEVER!!! & once again : NEVER!!! experienced any kind of clutch slippin', or any other kind of "malfunctions", &/or troubles...
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| | Posted : 09 Sep 2010 - 19:27 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: Axelrosebud) | | | Axelrosebud wrote:
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All that I have to respond to that , is that I've been using a car type of synthetic oil in my bikes (& there were several of them...) for over 50kkm each... & I've NEVER!!! & once again : NEVER!!! experienced any kind of clutch slippin', or any other kind of "malfunctions", &/or troubles...
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Great, fantastic, like I said I dont care what oil you use nor what font you put in to convey your point.
But your logic would suggest that a person who has smoked for 80 years is in perfect health just because they have not died...
I bet you have never torn apart these motors and compared them to one that has ran the proper oil. that my friend would be the proof in the pudding 
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| | Posted : 09 Sep 2010 - 19:33 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: CornerBanger) | | | | CornerBanger wrote: (...) I bet you have never torn apart these motors and compared them to one that has ran the proper oil. that my friend would be the proof in the pudding |
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Nope... I personally didn't... I just had no need to...  
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| | Posted : 09 Sep 2010 - 19:46 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: Axelrosebud) | | | I, for one, will be using Amsoil in my bike. Even though they ran the tests they cite in their white paper entitled "A study of motorcycle oils", it is pretty compelling evidence as to it's quality. I've always heard what a quility oil it is, and this confirmed my suspicions. Here's the link.
https://www.amsoil.com/lit/g2156.pdf
I know, I know, it's not done by an independent lab. Take it for what it's worth.
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| | Posted : 09 Sep 2010 - 20:09 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: HooRad) | | | I'm aware it's not all about the clutch- I thought the topic in the thread was about the clutch. As for shear, i'm also aware of that which is why I use the JASo MA 1 rated oil.
Oil threads are always entertaining, are they not?
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| | Posted : 09 Sep 2010 - 20:10 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic | | | Oh, how I want to respond... but I'm holding back.  
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| | Posted : 09 Sep 2010 - 22:34 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: Axelrosebud) | | |
Axelrosebud wrote:
| CornerBanger wrote: (...) I bet you have never torn apart these motors and compared them to one that has ran the proper oil. that my friend would be the proof in the pudding |
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Nope... I personally didn't... I just had no need to... |
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You do if you want to use the logic of "everything is in perfect shape" by using standard NON JASO MA1 oil. Oh and I do pick my nose as your cool icons suggests, it feels great to scratch my brain when it freezes with your horrible logic...
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| | Posted : 10 Sep 2010 - 03:03 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: CornerBanger) | | | calm down guys this smacks of old Opium80 something of who thought he was god of knowledge................
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| | Posted : 10 Sep 2010 - 17:32 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: CornerBanger) | | | | CornerBanger wrote: (...) |
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There are those who own & fiddle 'round wiff it... and there are those who just simply ride!
AWWW... C'mon my friend... Let's not get too "personal" 'bout this...
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| | Posted : 10 Sep 2010 - 18:53 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: Axelrosebud) | | | Axelrosebud wrote:
I've always heard that the "friction modifiers" were there
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What a spaced out nursery rhyme you must have endured  !
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| | Posted : 11 Sep 2010 - 06:22 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: Jamie) | | |
Jamie wrote:
Axelrosebud wrote:
I've always heard that the "friction modifiers" were there
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What a spaced out nursery rhyme you must have endured !
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| | Posted : 11 Sep 2010 - 08:46 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: Axelrosebud) | | | the pistons in the bike go up and down
up and down
up and down
the pistons in the bike go up and down
until the friction modifiers run out....
yeah i remember that one too
we had a polish nursary teacher in year 1 
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| | Posted : 11 Sep 2010 - 09:28 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: Axelrosebud) | | | Nursery rhymes: What oil producers keep on humming to us, e.g. longer intervals between changes, longer mileage, special additives, unique properties conducive to less engine wear, easier cold starts, self-cleaning agents, less friction and thus lower gas consumption (sic), friction modifiers OR the absence of same, etc. 
And when the soothing lyrics and other advertising hype fail to grow market share, some producers resort to barely disguised threats: dubiously independent comparos showing that brand A surpasses brand X on all accounts, causing one to pray God that that brand X is NOT the one he has been foolishly using for years. ... References to so-called "professional" users, such as Caterpillar operators or Indy car drivers, so enraptured about brand A that one starts feeling ashamed whenever buying brand Y or Z for his scooter, etc.
Barely disguised threats, I say. Or just plain blackmail: A mechanic wearing a brand A shirt and saying"Pay me now or pay me later!". An ad campaign that actually used to run in the US automotive press.
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| | Posted : 11 Sep 2010 - 11:54 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: Jamie) | | | | zolti wrote:... ... |
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| | Posted : 19 Sep 2010 - 01:45 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: Axelrosebud) | | |
On monday they reccomend type A they claim its the best for there engines , gonna give longer life , bla bla bla . Type A manufacturer claims theres is the best and will give you longer life bla bla bla .
Most people know that you should drop and change your oil regular , myself i don't care what oil; is in there drop it and change every 5000 klm , if full symphetic maybee every 7ooo klm . its gonna help prolong the life and keep the engine healthy .
On wednesday they have a vision and say we changed our minds we had a sign , you should no longer use Type A you shoulsd use type B , cos its better , gonna last longer and save your engine .
What is the scenario here , have there technicians all had a vsit from the god of oils who informed them of the truth , who then took the message to the CEO , WHO BASED ON THE MESAGE FROM THE OIL GOD DECIDED TO CHANGE EVERYTHING AND NOW CLAIM TYPE B IS THE WAY TO GO .
Doubt it , more like , Type A have dropped there kick back
or Type B have come up with a better kickback , or incentive plan call it what you will ,
My triumph dealer reccomended mobil 1
But funny enough used belray on my t bird first service , they used belray on my tourer yet recommended mobil , when i asked why they said we don't use mobil triumph now recomend MOTUL
Motul , Belray , Castrol , Mobil , it don't matter has long has YOU CHANGE IT REGULAR
Triumph tell them to use whats best for triumph bank account has long has the viscosity is correct theres not much in them non will break down over 5-7 thousand klm which is what just about every good mechanic i've spoke too has recomended the change .
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| | Posted : 19 Sep 2010 - 15:39 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: coneye) | | | I like both Amsoil and Mobile 1. I used Amsoil about the first 5 years after the 500 mile check up on my first TBA then switched to Mobile 1 again so i could get it at Wal-mart by my house. The Amsoil 20/50 does seem to make the engine run quieter. I change every 6,000 miles or every year which ever came first and I had 33,000 miles when I wrecked it. IMO changing sooner then that is a waste of money and natural resources. The 3,000mile oil change for cars and trucks is a scam the Oil companies and Jiffy lubes like to promote. I read a test where they took a fleet of police cars and changed half at 3,000 miles and the other half at 7,500 and there was no difference in engine wear after extreme use. In my 08 Ford Explorer I change the oil every 7500 miles per the manual, of course it is synthetic also. I haven't changed the oil in my T-bird yet . The dealer did it at the 500 mile check-up and I will probably let them do it at the 6,000 check, then start doing it myself. I currently have 4600 miles on the clock. It just rubs me the wrong way to pay over $100 for an oil change. So at the 12,000 check I will tell them what I want them to do to avoid the alleged $600-800 charge. But whatever works for you, is best.
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| | Posted : 20 Sep 2010 - 12:37 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: PES) | | | PES - I stopped changing oil in cars at 3,000 miles long ago, but some here will say that a motorcycle is different because of the wet clutch which puts much more shear on the oil. Personally I suspect 6,000 miles isn't an issue, but I haven't read up on it yet, so I'm doing 3,000 mile changes just to be on the safe side.
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| | Posted : 20 Sep 2010 - 14:11 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: CornerBanger) | | | I feel the same way. 6k i'm pretty sure is fine, especially with today's synthetics. But since theres is no way we can truly be 100% sure w/o ourselves doing serious oil research, i think it's best to err on the safe side. especially if you drive a car most of the year and the bike is your recreation. With fewer miles like that it's not a big deal to change it often. Yesterday I found that unlike last time i looked there IS a amsoil dealer nearby, in fact 2 now. So i have emails out to them to give me a quote and i will likely start using that again since M1 seems to have changed thier formula. Plus i keep hearing amsoil makes the engine quieter, and i'm not a big fan of engine noise to put it mildly. I never noticed that when i used amsoil in my speedmaster, but then that bike's engine was so noisy you probably wouldn't even notice a 10% reduction in noise.
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| | Posted : 11 Oct 2010 - 17:46 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: CornerBanger) | | | Dealer did the 500-mile on the 1600 TBird and used Amsoil and not Mobil 1 synthetic. Wrote to Amsoil and got the following response this date, October 11, 2010.
"AMSOIL offers a full line of Motorcycle Oils of various viscosity grades, which are very suitable for use in wet clutch equipped bikes, including the Triumph. Most owners choose either AMSOIL 10W40 MCF or 20W50 MCV for use in their Triumphs. The oil can be safely used for 2 times OEM recommended miles (6,000 x 2 = 12,000 miles) or 1 year, whichever comes first.
Byron Selbrede
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ADDRESS: 1 AMSOIL Center, Superior, WI 54880
E-MAIL: bselbrede@amsoil.com
PHONE: 715-392-7101
FAX: 715-392-3097"
Another oil given high marks is Motul 7100 on Triumph RAT. There are a number of Amsoil folks in Augusta, so there is no problem getting that particular oil. Will also check on the Motul 7100 availability. I would prefer to use one oil and pretty much stick with it. Not sure about 12,000 mile oil changes! Anyone want to chime in?
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| | Posted : 11 Oct 2010 - 18:14 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: curtis41) | | | yes, motul and amsoil are 2 TRUE synthetics. I read an article that said mobil sued castroil for calling thier oil synthetic when it is actually dino oil with a package added that makes it better. The courts ruled that an oil does NOT have to be a true synthetic to call itself that. So now you can't know whether an oil is really synth or not just by reading the bottle. So amsoil and amsoil along with a few others they mentioned are the only true synthetics. Supposedly even Mobil 1 no longer is ! So it's motul for me for now on
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| | Posted : 11 Oct 2010 - 18:58 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: daz) | | | Daz - I'm not sure the best way to describe these "hybrid" synthetics. They require additives, but far few of them. From calsci.com:
Shortly after Mobil lost their lawsuit, most oil companies started reformulating their synthetic oils to use Group III base stocks instead of PAOs or diester stocks as their primary component. Most of the "synthetic oil" you can buy today is actually mostly made of this highly-distilled and purified dino-juice called Group III oil. Group III base oils cost about half as much as the synthetics. By using a blend of mostly Group III oils and a smaller amount of "true" synthetics, the oil companies can produce a product that has nearly the same properties as the "true" synthetics...
The Group III oil described above requires fewer additives when compared to Group I or group II, but they do require them. They are still superior oils when compared to the non-group III oils, but they aren't quite as good as a true PAO (Poly-Alpha-Olefin)-based synthetic like the two you mention.
The question is this: Will a PAO-based synthetic oil make a difference when oil is changed every 3,000 to 6,000 miles (as opposed to 12,000)? I suspect the answer is no, but after my bike is out of warranty, I'll likely search out local source of motul or Amsoil and switch to longer drain intervals.
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| | Posted : 12 Oct 2010 - 20:07 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: EnGage) | | | didn't read the entire thread but just had the 6,000 service and Triumph has contracted with Castrol and dumped Mobil 1.
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| | Posted : 12 Oct 2010 - 20:39 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: EnGage) | | |
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The question is this: Will a PAO-based synthetic oil make a difference when oil is changed every 3,000 to 6,000 miles (as opposed to 12,000)? I suspect the answer is no, but after my bike is out of warranty, I'll likely search out local source of motul or Amsoil and switch to longer drain intervals. |
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I agree, that IS the question. But what i always do when i have a question for which there is no 100% reliable place to get an answer is err on the safe side. So i'm using motul and changing it often. Not necessarily always at 3k, but between 3 and say 5k at the longest. So far i haven't gone longer than 4k, but it just depends on my schedule and other personal things like that. I can't imagine using the best oil is going to make any difference whether you change at 3 or 5k. I think amsoil states you can run thier oil double the manufacturer's recommended mileage. So they're saying 12k ! So the best oil at 4 or 5k, certainly thats as much as you could ever need to do for the absolute best results.
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| | Posted : 12 Oct 2010 - 20:44 Post title : Re: OIL Mobil 1 versus Castrol Synthetic (Re: curtis41) | | | curtis41 wrote:
. Most owners choose either AMSOIL 10W40 MCF or 20W50 MCV for use in their Triumphs.
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reading an article in the mcn re oils - dont alter the higher number. doesnt matter too much about the lower unless your in a very cold place but the higher number is the oils viscosity at operating temp. keep the higher number as recommended.
| | Post edited by zolti on 12 Oct 2010 - 20:46 |
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