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| | | plpitts1 | | Set |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 17/04/2017 | | Posts | : | 44 | | Location | : | Crowley, Texas, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Apr 2018 - 22:36 Post title : Dyno Question | | | Hello,
Installing Dave Platt exhaust and cat bypass tomorrow. Will it hurt anything to ride for a week or so till I can get a Dyno Tune? I now have a TOR Tune on it with the TOR exhaust with the cat on.
Thanks,
Pat
| 2012 Thunderbird!! Crowley, Texas USA. Peace Out
"Well, if they pay me off in tortillas, I'm gonna shoot 'em right in the eye"
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| | | Tal | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 30/01/2015 | | Posts | : | 1,074 | | Location | : | Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand |
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| | Posted : 02 Apr 2018 - 04:12 Post title : Re: Dyno Question (Re: plpitts1) | | | once you have the different setup on, start the bike, let it idle......dont touch the throttle at all during this procedure.....when the fan starts, let it idle for 12 mins.
This is called the 12 minute tune. During this time the ECU will recognize the change and alter the tune accordingly.
After the 12 mins youre good to go.
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| | | AZCactus | | Taranis | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 4,500 | | Location | : | AZ |
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| | Posted : 02 Apr 2018 - 04:29 Post title : Re: Dyno Question (Re: Tal) | | | Hey Tal 
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| | | Tal | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 30/01/2015 | | Posts | : | 1,074 | | Location | : | Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand |
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| | Posted : 02 Apr 2018 - 04:50 Post title : Re: Dyno Question (Re: AZCactus) | | | Hey Brutha
Been ridin today....nice!
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| | | plpitts1 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 17/04/2017 | | Posts | : | 44 | | Location | : | Crowley, Texas, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Apr 2018 - 12:07 Post title : Re: Dyno Question (Re: Tal) | | | Thanks Tal, I will do that.
I had emailed Dave Platt as well, he says that the "Lambda Sensors in the down pipes will recognize the change and remap to suite"
I don't know if this is an instant adjustment or a slow adjustment, but I will do the 12 minute tune to.
Thanks,
Pat
| 2012 Thunderbird!! Crowley, Texas USA. Peace Out
"Well, if they pay me off in tortillas, I'm gonna shoot 'em right in the eye"
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| | | DangerMouse | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 28/03/2016 | | Posts | : | 546 | | Location | : | South East, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 02 Apr 2018 - 12:18 Post title : Re: Dyno Question (Re: plpitts1) | | |
plpitts1 wrote:
Thanks Tal, I will do that.
I had emailed Dave Platt as well, he says that the "Lambda Sensors in the down pipes will recognize the change and remap to suite"
I don't know if this is an instant adjustment or a slow adjustment, but I will do the 12 minute tune to.
Thanks,
Pat
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I believe closed-loop tuning is only up to about 2K rpm, then it's effectively static fuel maps above that. That said, I don't think you'll do any harm in the short term with a TOR map + the 12 minute throttle adaptation process that's already been mentioned. Just don't do any sustained flat-out thrashing until you've got your custom map.
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| | | plpitts1 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 17/04/2017 | | Posts | : | 44 | | Location | : | Crowley, Texas, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Apr 2018 - 21:08 Post title : Re: Dyno Question (Re: DangerMouse) | | | Thanks DangerMouse,
I will get it tuned in the next week or two
| 2012 Thunderbird!! Crowley, Texas USA. Peace Out
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| | | Tal | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 30/01/2015 | | Posts | : | 1,074 | | Location | : | Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand |
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| | Posted : 03 Apr 2018 - 05:55 Post title : Re: Dyno Question (Re: plpitts1) | | | Youre welcome.....Some tunes, which you may find out if you dyno the bike, require the lambda sensor to be taken out. Its the oxygen sensor which is in the exhaust. It detects the oxygen going past and tells the ecu to alter the tune accordingly. If you add a Power Commander 5 and have the bike dynoed, chances are the o2 sensor will be removed and a plug put in the hole as i did with my Storm. The PC5 tells the bikes ecu what the tune requires to make it run like hot chocolate!!....and often dosnt require the o2 sensor.
| | Post edited by Tal on 03 Apr 2018 - 05:57 |
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 03 Apr 2018 - 19:15 Post title : Re: Dyno Question (Re: Tal) | | | I have the PCV and had the bike dynoed. Also I am currently using short pipes that I bought from Australia, no cat. The bike runs fine but if I am not mistaken, the tech used the OEM long pipe tune. Would there be an advantage by using the short Tor tune?
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| | | Ezituper | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 28/10/2017 | | Posts | : | 46 | | Location | : | HERTFORDSHIRE, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 03 Apr 2018 - 19:23 Post title : Re: Dyno Question (Re: rayglo) | | |
rayglo wrote:
I have the PCV and had the bike dynoed. Also I am currently using short pipes that I bought from Australia, no cat. The bike runs fine but if I am not mistaken, the tech used the OEM long pipe tune. Would there be an advantage by using the short Tor tune? |
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Sorry but I'm confused
He had it on the Dyno but just loaded a downloaded tune?
What did he "dyno" exactly?
Here they set them up on a Dyno, creating a purpose made tune for your bike, be it on a PCV or directly to your ECU
You don't even need a PCV to load a stock tune loaded, in fact wouldn't your bike have the long pipe tune on it or was it a long tor tune?
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 03 Apr 2018 - 19:44 Post title : Re: Dyno Question (Re: Ezituper) | | | Thanks for the quick response
Let me try again. After a thousand miles I decided to put short pipes replacing the originals. I bought a PCV and had the bike dynoed for a custom tune. Some time later I retrieved the PCV tune and noticed that the ECU had original tune and not the short Tor tune Would performance differ with ashort Tor tune?
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,515 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 03 Apr 2018 - 22:30 Post title : Re: Dyno Question (Re: rayglo) | | | I doubt it, your bike is running on the the dyno tune loaded to the PCV, which basically fools the ECM, which is why it's connected between the ECM and the injectors.
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 03 Apr 2018 - 22:36 Post title : Re: Dyno Question (Re: Leethal) | | | Thanks for clearing that up for me
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| | | Tal | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 30/01/2015 | | Posts | : | 1,074 | | Location | : | Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand |
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| | Posted : 04 Apr 2018 - 08:20 Post title : Re: Dyno Question (Re: Leethal) | | | As Lethal said....The PCV becomes the "Tune Brain" if you like....it stores the tune which your dyno man has put in to make the bike run as well as he could get it with the pipes etc that was fitted at the time. If you change pipes and stuff, then the tune will not suit as well as b4....wont be a huge difference but it will be different.
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| | | aussietbird | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 11/09/2012 | | Posts | : | 263 | | Location | : | WODONGA, VIC, Australia |
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| | Posted : 02 Jun 2018 - 06:16 Post title : Re: Dyno Question (Re: plpitts1) | | | plpitts1 wrote:
Thanks Tal, I will do that.
I had emailed Dave Platt as well, he says that the "Lambda Sensors in the down pipes will recognize the change and remap to suite"
I don't know if this is an instant adjustment or a slow adjustment, but I will do the 12 minute tune to.
Thanks,
Pat
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Sorry guys, for 2 reasons.
Reason 1 for being so slow in making a reply.
Reason 2 for being so slow at making a reply for not wanting to offend, by being so efen blunt.
Dave Platt is sort of correct in the fact the O2 sensors are in fact Lambda sensors, not wide range O2 sensors.
So the only change of the fuelling a Lambda sensor can make is when the ECU is actually looking for Lambda (via F/L switching) and the only time in which the Lambda sensors function come into play. It cannot possibly make changes to the fuelling tables, totally impossible.
Therefore relying on the 12, 15 min adaption tune, to make fuelling adjustments, to be blunt is a total farce.
Conclusion 1, a little knowledge is still far more dangerous than none at all. Sorry if I've offended, but I'm sick and tired of half truths, and conclusions from half-truths being made.
Conclusion 2, either download many tuneecu files available on this site, and sift through them all and find one that suits your needs and mod requirements, or get the thing dyno tuned ASAP. There is still only 3 things that shorten the life of any internal combustion engine. (1) The knob hanging of the end of the throttle, (2) the quality and quantity of the oil used within it. (3) Heat, heat generated by lean fuelling. The same fuelling that triumph was forced to use to meet emmision standards.
Yes I'm still a grumpy old bastard.
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| | Post edited by aussietbird on 02 Jun 2018 - 06:35 |
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| | | plpitts1 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 17/04/2017 | | Posts | : | 44 | | Location | : | Crowley, Texas, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Jun 2018 - 13:15 Post title : Re: Dyno Question (Re: aussietbird) | | | Thanks Aussietbird, yes I took it and had it Dyno Tuned. And then put the cat back on. It was a little loud but I did not care for the sound so much. I then took it back for a dyno tune (free adjustment). He is the only certified dyno guy I could find around here. He had lots of bikes there, several he was re-tuning for people that either did it themselves or had guys do it that did not know what they were doing. LOL
It runs great. It was expensive, but a lot cheaper than a motor. I need this to last a looooong time. It now has a nice soft rumble which is what I was looking for. Just got back from a 2000 mile trip to the mountains and it ran perfect.
The next question that will get asked is for the "numbers". I did not get the numbers and really not worried about them. The guy gave me all the info but honestly, I just want it to run well, last a long time and sound good, in that order.
Now if I could just get the chirp out of the belt, which comes and goes. I am working on next. I have read most of the posts about it, just gotta stop and do it.
Thanks for the replies
Pat Pitts
| 2012 Thunderbird!! Crowley, Texas USA. Peace Out
"Well, if they pay me off in tortillas, I'm gonna shoot 'em right in the eye"
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| | | alatamoc | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/06/2015 | | Posts | : | 73 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 02 Jun 2018 - 21:24 Post title : Re: Dyno Question (Re: plpitts1) | | | The older I get, the more I prefer to keep it standard. I can live with it not waking the next town when I start it...I can live with my 1600 not doing more than 116 flat out...but I can no longer live with all this tune it and then try to make it run right stuff.
I went that route with a TBA a while back and in the end I just couldn't cope with the complexities of it all.
Old man, I guess, but old man who's put 4k happy miles on his bike these last 2 months.
I no longer need to have the biggest Willie in the car park.
Oh and old man who still runs it happily at high speed long distance.
But for those who want to experiment...have fun... I'll be riding instead.
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