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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,661 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 23 Jun 2016 - 09:41 Post title : Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU | | | I have now been running this tune for over 5000 km / 3000 miles, and i am quite happy with it. 
Fuel is increased, timing is advanced, maps are equalized, etc. 
Try it out and let me know what you think. 
Better run RON95 / OCT91, to prevent knocking. 
Works on 1700, with or without CAT.
Might work on 1600 as well, have not tried it out. Anyway, properly a bit rich then.
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| | | NAH | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 02/10/2014 | | Posts | : | 195 | | Location | : | Paso Robles, California, United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Jun 2016 - 15:46 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: Slcharger) | | | Was this tune developed on a Dyno?
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| | | joey1970 | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 22/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 104 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Jun 2016 - 17:09 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: NAH) | | | I got my bike dyno tuned last weekend. Best decision ever. Its running smoother, stronger, and better than I ever thought possible. I've tried several tunes.. all of which were ok.. but none compare to an actual dyno run. Every bike is different.. even if it's the same bike with the same mods. A custom tune is the only way to get the perfect tune.
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| | | edmontonstorm | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,054 | | Location | : | Alberta, Canada |
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| | Posted : 23 Jun 2016 - 18:02 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: Slcharger) | | |
Slcharger wrote:
I have now been running this tune for over 5000 km / 3000 miles, and i am quite happy with it.
Fuel is increased, timing is advanced, maps are equalized, etc.
Try it out and let me know what you think.
Better run RON95 / OCT91, to prevent knocking.
Works on 1700, with or without CAT.
Might work on 1600 as well, have not tried it out. Anyway, properly a bit rich then.
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Kim i have not tried this tune yet only because i do not run the O2 sensors i have the Dynojet plugs in there instead. But i am curious why the O2 sensors would be needed? All they do is cover a very very narrow scale of the AFR ratio (Mostly idle and cruise) hence the term narrow band of course, anything outside of this narrow margin defaults back to the fuel map. The only fear i could see is if your tune was really really lien in those area's of the map that would tend to equate themselves with high load. Can you explain to me why using the OEM O2 sensors are important with your tune?
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| | | NAH | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 02/10/2014 | | Posts | : | 195 | | Location | : | Paso Robles, California, United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Jun 2016 - 18:09 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: joey1970) | | | True, but it can't be done in a couple of hours. Tuning by adjusting AFR is only a part of developing a map.
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| | | edmontonstorm | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,054 | | Location | : | Alberta, Canada |
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| | Posted : 23 Jun 2016 - 18:41 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: NAH) | | |
NAH wrote:
True, but it can't be done in a couple of hours. Tuning by adjusting AFR is only a part of developing a map. |
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yes i understand that, but Kim had advised me before that you must have your O2 sensors connected to run his tune. I understand how it all works, so in reality the tune should not require the O2 sensors. IMO but i could be wrong i suppose and would like to know more. The only part i can think of is the timing, but i am not sure how the O2 control that.
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| | | NAH | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 02/10/2014 | | Posts | : | 195 | | Location | : | Paso Robles, California, United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Jun 2016 - 19:36 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: edmontonstorm) | | |
edmontonstorm wrote:
NAH wrote:
True, but it can't be done in a couple of hours. Tuning by adjusting AFR is only a part of developing a map. |
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yes i understand that, but Kim had advised me before that you must have your O2 sensors connected to run his tune. I understand how it all works, so in reality the tune should not require the O2 sensors. IMO but i could be wrong i suppose and would like to know more. The only part i can think of is the timing, but i am not sure how the O2 control that.
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I was replying to Joeys post.
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,661 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 23 Jun 2016 - 19:59 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: edmontonstorm) | | | The base software in the ECU is designed to run with O2 sensors.
This part of the software we can't change, the only thing we can change is the variables that the software uses to act on.
There is the option in the Tune ECU to disable the O2 sensors, but what that function actually do in software, we don't know ( at least i dont ). 
Most tunes "disables " the O2 sensors and set the F/L switch to zero. This supposedly disables the L tables, and fuel is now only controlled via the F tables ( throttle position ). Now this poses a dilemma. If you want max power all over the RPM band, you have to increase the fuel to an A/F ratio of about 12.8. This will then hurt fuel economy when cruising, since the software cant recognize if you want power or just cruising. To not ruin the fuel economy totally, most maps are then a compromise, with a higher A/F ratio, especially at lower throttle positions.
My approach is to use the software as its intension was from the beginning, but at the same time getting the best from both worlds. That's why I leave the O2 sensors on, and fitted. Power from the F tables, when you twist the throttle, and fuel economy from the L tables, when you are cruising. To smoothen the ride, I have lowered the A/F from 14.5 to 13.8. Hurts the mileage a bit, but is worth it.
This is in rough terms my strategy for changing F-L-A/F-F/L tables.
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| | | edmontonstorm | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,054 | | Location | : | Alberta, Canada |
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| | Posted : 23 Jun 2016 - 21:46 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: Slcharger) | | | thanks Kim.
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,661 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 24 Jun 2016 - 05:59 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: NAH) | | |
NAH wrote:
Was this tune developed on a Dyno? |
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Yes, mostly with my butt dyno.
In general I don't believe in dyno tuning, when it comes to making a good mapping. The dyno map only shows us what happens at full throttle, and nothing about what happens at part throttle. Okay, it might be nice, just for the bragging rights, to know how much top end power you have, but its more or less useless for anything else.
What really counts is how the bike behaves. How does it ride, is it smooth and pleasant, do you feel the power flow, as soon as you just twist the throttle a bit. When overtaking, is there enough mid range power, or do you have to downshift, etc. These are factors that flow into countless hours of mapping and riding.
I don't claim to have created the perfect map, but for me and my riding style it works.
| Big Bird, Bordeaux with " Celtic theme " Airbrush, 2010, 1700CC, ABS, 65.000 km. Lowered with Nitros rear shocks, Linear front springs, Burchard forward footrest kit, Kuryakyn ISO grips, LOTS of chrome, SLcharger REV2+ tune, Modified Cee Baileys windshield, Oil pressure gauge, Air box elimination kit, Portet cylinderhead, Intake cam advanved 8 degree, Exhaust cam retarded 2 degree, 10.5 C/R, Knock sensor, Machined flywheel, DNA Chrome Spoke wheels, 18x8.5"- AVON AV72- 240/40/18, 21x3.5"- AVON AV71- 120/70/21, Corbin seat with backrest, 20W fork oil. Hiflo HF303RC oil filter, Penrite Racing 20-20W60 engine oil, Adjurl lights.
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| | | Daycruiser | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/11/2011 | | Posts | : | 704 | | Location | : | Garner, NC, United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Jun 2016 - 09:11 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: Slcharger) | | | You must have a really sensitive Butt. I'll give you that the Butt Dyno is about $300 USD cheaper than the Regular Dyno.
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,661 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 24 Jun 2016 - 09:21 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: Daycruiser) | | |
Daycruiser wrote:
You must have a really sensitive Butt. I'll give you that the Butt Dyno is about $300 USD cheaper than the Regular Dyno. |
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Yeear, and my balls pic up any knocking from the engine 
No seriously, i run with a knock sensor, and accelerometer.
| Big Bird, Bordeaux with " Celtic theme " Airbrush, 2010, 1700CC, ABS, 65.000 km. Lowered with Nitros rear shocks, Linear front springs, Burchard forward footrest kit, Kuryakyn ISO grips, LOTS of chrome, SLcharger REV2+ tune, Modified Cee Baileys windshield, Oil pressure gauge, Air box elimination kit, Portet cylinderhead, Intake cam advanved 8 degree, Exhaust cam retarded 2 degree, 10.5 C/R, Knock sensor, Machined flywheel, DNA Chrome Spoke wheels, 18x8.5"- AVON AV72- 240/40/18, 21x3.5"- AVON AV71- 120/70/21, Corbin seat with backrest, 20W fork oil. Hiflo HF303RC oil filter, Penrite Racing 20-20W60 engine oil, Adjurl lights.
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| | | NAH | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 02/10/2014 | | Posts | : | 195 | | Location | : | Paso Robles, California, United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Jun 2016 - 12:17 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: Slcharger) | | |
Slcharger wrote:
NAH wrote:
Was this tune developed on a Dyno? |
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Yes, mostly with my butt dyno.
In general I don't believe in dyno tuning, when it comes to making a good mapping. The dyno map only shows us what happens at full throttle, and nothing about what happens at part throttle. Okay, it might be nice, just for the bragging rights, to know how much top end power you have, but its more or less useless for anything else.
What really counts is how the bike behaves. How does it ride, is it smooth and pleasant, do you feel the power flow, as soon as you just twist the throttle a bit. When overtaking, is there enough mid range power, or do you have to downshift, etc. These are factors that flow into countless hours of mapping and riding.
I don't claim to have created the perfect map, but for me and my riding style it works.
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Wow, all this time I thought you euro guys were all about technology.
Dyno tuning is not only at full throttle. Done properly it covers the full range of throttle position.
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| | | edmontonstorm | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,054 | | Location | : | Alberta, Canada |
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| | Posted : 24 Jun 2016 - 14:09 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: NAH) | | |
NAH wrote:
Slcharger wrote:
NAH wrote:
Was this tune developed on a Dyno? |
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Yes, mostly with my butt dyno.
In general I don't believe in dyno tuning, when it comes to making a good mapping. The dyno map only shows us what happens at full throttle, and nothing about what happens at part throttle. Okay, it might be nice, just for the bragging rights, to know how much top end power you have, but its more or less useless for anything else.
What really counts is how the bike behaves. How does it ride, is it smooth and pleasant, do you feel the power flow, as soon as you just twist the throttle a bit. When overtaking, is there enough mid range power, or do you have to downshift, etc. These are factors that flow into countless hours of mapping and riding.
I don't claim to have created the perfect map, but for me and my riding style it works.
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Wow, all this time I thought you euro guys were all about technology.
Dyno tuning is not only at full throttle. Done properly it covers the full range of throttle position. |
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the problem is that 95% of tuners do not tune it that way. Reason i bought the AT300 was when i discovered (by learning) that after i dropped 300 for a tune the only thing that was changed (on the provided 1600 tune) by Dynojet were three fuel cells in the 80 and 100% throttle position!!!! which i rarely if ever ride, so 300 bucks to tell me that it was ok to run dynojets base map! BS BS BS BS, and most of them do it that way.
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| | | NAH | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 02/10/2014 | | Posts | : | 195 | | Location | : | Paso Robles, California, United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Jun 2016 - 15:38 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: edmontonstorm) | | | I hear you. Dyno tuning on these bikes cannot be done in a couple of hours.
The most time I spent tuning on one of my bikes was 16 hours. Others I have done in 6-8.
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,661 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 24 Jun 2016 - 15:58 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: NAH) | | |
NAH wrote:
Slcharger wrote:
NAH wrote:
Was this tune developed on a Dyno? |
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Yes, mostly with my butt dyno.
In general I don't believe in dyno tuning, when it comes to making a good mapping. The dyno map only shows us what happens at full throttle, and nothing about what happens at part throttle. Okay, it might be nice, just for the bragging rights, to know how much top end power you have, but its more or less useless for anything else.
What really counts is how the bike behaves. How does it ride, is it smooth and pleasant, do you feel the power flow, as soon as you just twist the throttle a bit. When overtaking, is there enough mid range power, or do you have to downshift, etc. These are factors that flow into countless hours of mapping and riding.
I don't claim to have created the perfect map, but for me and my riding style it works.
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Wow, all this time I thought you euro guys were all about technology.
Dyno tuning is not only at full throttle. Done properly it covers the full range of throttle position. |
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Yea, well, i used to be a dyno fan too, in the past. I have done my share of dyno tuning, but i have learned that all that " Technology " only told me what already knew, what my BUTT told me, when i was riding the bike before put it on the dyno.
So i occasionally still use the dyno, but really only get one or 2 things confirmed.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Jun 2016 - 16:37 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: Slcharger) | | |
Slcharger wrote:
|only told me what already knew, what my BUTT told me, when i was riding the bike before put it on the dyno.
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Amen, I've always felt i can tell quite subtle differences and when they aren't so subtle i don't need numbers to tell me. Some need them to brag, i don't have the slightest desire to do that so as long as my but and other senses tell me the bike is running good thats all i need. And my latest map out does anything i have used in the past in every respect so thats all i need to know. Also, i can determine one thing about a tune that a dyno can't tell me.....MPG.
Now this isn't to say i see no good from dynos, but thier value is in tuning not just as a way to see your numbers. I only guess and thru trial and error i work towards making a map that works better then anything i have so far. But it's time consuming and likely not as good as can be done with a dyno unless i just got very lucky. I only see dynos as a waste when using then to see what the bike is doing numbers wise, but for tuning of course they are valuable. I would never spend $300 for what....bragging rights ? No way no how, uh uh.
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,661 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 28 Jun 2016 - 05:18 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: Slcharger) | | | Here is a short video of a ride with the tune.
https://youtu.be/8WXpQIp9k1Q
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| | | reich | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/06/2016 | | Posts | : | 21 | | Location | : | Ontario, Canada |
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| | Posted : 02 Aug 2016 - 10:56 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: NAH) | | | I thought you could not use TuneEcu on a 1700 or LT
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| | | edmontonstorm | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,054 | | Location | : | Alberta, Canada |
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| | Posted : 02 Aug 2016 - 14:11 Post title : Re: Tune release, 1700 bird, TuneECU (Re: reich) | | |
reich wrote:
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not the commander or Lt but others before yes.
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