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| | | VABird | | Jupiter |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 28/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,373 | | Location | : | BEDFORD, Virginia, United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Oct 2015 - 19:00 Post title : More on ELBOWS? | | | Jack-Be-Quick would like to determine if there is enough demand to produce USA made exhaust elbows to replace the cats on NON LT/Commander models.
How many would be interested in professionally fabricated Stainless Steel elbows in the $40 range?
Expressing interest does not commit you, but if there was enough interest, they could likely be available within a couple months. (Think Christmas)
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| | | VABird | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 28/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,373 | | Location | : | BEDFORD, Virginia, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Nov 2015 - 01:21 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: VABird) | | | No one?
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| | | SeattleRod | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/07/2015 | | Posts | : | 38 | | Location | : | Seattle, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Nov 2015 - 05:18 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: VABird) | | | I'd be interested. Do you know if I'd need a new tune having stock pipes?
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| | Posted : 01 Nov 2015 - 07:28 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: VABird) | |
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| | Posted : 01 Nov 2015 - 07:50 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: VABird) | | |
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Might be worth explaining the pros and cons for some of those just getting into T/birds.  
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| | | VABird | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 28/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,373 | | Location | : | BEDFORD, Virginia, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Nov 2015 - 11:55 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: Swagger) | | | Swagger wrote:
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Might be worth explaining the pros and cons for some of those just getting into T/birds. |
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You're right.
Pros:
You get rid of the restrictive catalytic converters and thereby:
Get a bit deeper tone without getting obnoxious popping (with stock pipes)
Get increased MPG (test bike went from 46 up to 50 MPG average)
Keep stock tune.
At $40, you get it all at about 1/8 the cost of the crossovers.
You get to play with your bike for an hour putting them on.
Cons:
You have to play with your bike for an hour putting them on.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,728 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Nov 2015 - 13:27 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: VABird) | | | The other con is they are crazy loud even compared to most crossovers and people who've done both say the elbows are not just loud but harsh. I haven't used a crossover but i did elbows for a few months till i just couldn't stand the noise any more. They also offer no attachment to the frame at that point like the cat or some crossovers do, and even if they don't the fact they are a attachment point for both left and right pipes makes it more solid. Now i use a gutted cat which does it all IMO.
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| | | VABird | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 28/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,373 | | Location | : | BEDFORD, Virginia, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Nov 2015 - 16:33 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: daz) | | | daz wrote:
The other con is they are crazy loud even compared to most crossovers and people who've done both say the elbows are not just loud but harsh. I haven't used a crossover but i did elbows for a few months till i just couldn't stand the noise any more. They also offer no attachment to the frame at that point like the cat or some crossovers do, and even if they don't the fact they are a attachment point for both left and right pipes makes it more solid. Now i use a gutted cat which does it all IMO. |
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I respect your right to your opinion, but you have the short TORs so there is where your "crazy loud" and "harsh" is from.
With stock pipes, sound is far from harsh or too loud, so another "pro" is no that expensive aftermarket exhaust system is necessary; and yes... that depends on the level of loudness you want. My setup is much quieter than a friend's with Hogslayers, and he still thinks his is too quiet! So to each his own in that regard.
Weight is insignificant compared to the cat, so no additional support is necessary either. There is no flex/sagging whatsoever. Mufflers have their own support bracket, as do the header pipes.
Gutting your cat is an option, but if it's ever required to be reinstalled (overreaching government regs) you'd have to buy a new one! ($$$$)
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| | | AZCactus | | Taranis | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 4,537 | | Location | : | AZ |
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| | Posted : 01 Nov 2015 - 20:45 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: VABird) | | | VABird wrote:
...At $40, you get it all at about 1/8 the cost of the crossovers. |
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So are you saying there's no difference between elbows and crossovers except price (you lost me there)?? 
Btw, I have a Cycleworks H-pipe, short tors that produces a sweet (not loud) twin rumble and more...
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| | | VABird | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 28/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,373 | | Location | : | BEDFORD, Virginia, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Nov 2015 - 23:33 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: AZCactus) | | | AZCactus wrote:
VABird wrote:
...At $40, you get it all at about 1/8 the cost of the crossovers. |
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So are you saying there's no difference between elbows and crossovers except price (you lost me there)??
Btw, I have a Cycleworks H-pipe, short tors that produces a sweet (not loud) twin rumble and more...
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I have not done Dyno testing, nor have I ever used the crossover. There is a crossover up front on the header. Another seems redundant, but without dyno comparison on the same bike, everything else is someone's opinion.
All I am saying is that I have elbows on my bike, am thoroughly satisfied with the sound and performance and would not spend the money on the crossover.
It's slightly louder than the stock pipes with cat, slightly better (seat of the pants dyno only) performance and in my opinion, no down sides.
We're all different. Some want straight pipes, some want sewing machine quiet. I like it in the middle.
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| | | peteronkarra | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 834 | | Location | : | Karragarra Island, Queensland, Australia |
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| | Posted : 02 Nov 2015 - 02:43 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: VABird) | | | One of the points that's often brought up when discussing elbows v a crossover is the existence of the front crossover pipe making a rear one redundant.
From my research the crossover at the front is to assist with the prevention of exhaust gas recycling and mid range power, although it does seem to be a bit far away from the exhaust valve to have a huge effect.
Having a crossover at the muffler end alters exhaust tone. I have made a few sets of mufflers and experimented with and without a rear crossover.
In each case the I have found the tone to be deeper with the crossover, in fact I have found increasing the diameter/ volume of the crossover improved the tone even more.
Having said all of this tone and sound of an exhaust note is a horribly subjective thing and what I find appealing may well be just annoying noise to someone else.
What I find harsh might be just the sound someone else is hunting for.
I would suggest get out there and listen to as many variations as you can, failing that, give the elbows a go and see how it sounds to you.
It is a fairly cheep starting point
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| | | edbob | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 04/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 931 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Nov 2015 - 03:38 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: VABird) | | | I'll try a pair!
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| | | madi05 | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 10/08/2015 | | Posts | : | 75 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Nov 2015 - 04:05 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: edbob) | | | although im very happy with my meerkat , it so shiney and pretty and made my bike with stock pipes sound like a chevy engine lol and now hd loud triumph/chevy growl loud lol i would love to do a comparison so lmk when u do this , i wish u could make them where my pipes could be at less of the upward angle is that possible?
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,728 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Nov 2015 - 06:49 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: madi05) | | |
madi05 wrote:
although im very happy with my meerkat , it so shiney and pretty and made my bike with stock pipes sound like a chevy engine lol and now hd loud triumph/chevy growl loud lol i would love to do a comparison so lmk when u do this , i wish u could make them where my pipes could be at less of the upward angle is that possible? |
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Man, shows how different people see things....i LOVE the pipes because of the way they are upswept. Anything else looks bad to me. But if you wanted to you could indeed do it. Use straight or straightER tubes rather than the 90 degree elbows and use a spacer bar at the rear pipe mounts. Like a flat steel bar with a hole on each end and bolt one end to the mounting point and the other end to the pipe. Make the bar whatever length you need to get the angle you want.
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| | | bnz433 | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/06/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,843 | | Location | : | Clifton Park (Upstate), NY, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Nov 2015 - 12:09 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: madi05) | | | Be careful doing that, if you use the TOR, stock or any of the other options with the big, flared end. Follow another Tbird on a twisty road and you'll see just how close our upswept pipes come to the ground. The angle is "just right" to avoid the pipe being the first hard part you touch down with!
I'm not saying don't do it. Just saying to be sure to be mindful of the overall geometry when you have the bike leaned over in a turn!
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| | | VABird | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 28/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,373 | | Location | : | BEDFORD, Virginia, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Nov 2015 - 12:15 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: bnz433) | | |
bnz433 wrote:
Be careful doing that, if you use the TOR, stock or any of the other options with the big, flared end. Follow another Tbird on a twisty road and you'll see just how close our upswept pipes come to the ground. The angle is "just right" to avoid the pipe being the first hard part you touch down with!
I'm not saying don't do it. Just saying to be sure to be mindful of the overall geometry when you have the bike leaned over in a turn!
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+1.
If you like the straighter pipes, you can probably find a Commander/LT owner who has replaced the stockers with aftermarket.
You should be able to find a nice used set. They're straight, but higher and would offer better ground clearance.
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| | | madi05 | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 10/08/2015 | | Posts | : | 75 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Nov 2015 - 19:28 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
madi05 wrote:
although im very happy with my meerkat , it so shiney and pretty and made my bike with stock pipes sound like a chevy engine lol and now hd loud triumph/chevy growl loud lol i would love to do a comparison so lmk when u do this , i wish u could make them where my pipes could be at less of the upward angle is that possible? |
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Man, shows how different people see things....i LOVE the pipes because of the way they are upswept. Anything else looks bad to me. But if you wanted to you could indeed do it. Use straight or straightER tubes rather than the 90 degree elbows and use a spacer bar at the rear pipe mounts. Like a flat steel bar with a hole on each end and bolt one end to the mounting point and the other end to the pipe. Make the bar whatever length you need to get the angle you want. |
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its only because im turning my bike into a bagger , i installed air shocks on it and i want that low ride look and my new bags to get the bags where i want almost touch the pipes , im also doing a zombie paint scheme , so as long as they dont hit when i ride i will leave them but im not sure yet , i have the meerkat do u think i still can lower it like a couple inches even with that installed? thanks
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| | | SeattleRod | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/07/2015 | | Posts | : | 38 | | Location | : | Seattle, United States |
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| | Posted : 03 Nov 2015 - 23:03 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: madi05) | | | For $40, it's worth a shot. If I don't like the sound, then I'll put the bike back the way it was.
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| | | VABird | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 28/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,373 | | Location | : | BEDFORD, Virginia, United States |
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| | Posted : 16 Nov 2015 - 21:52 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: bnz433) | | | Stainless steel elbows are now available. 304 stainless, die bent (have slight kink). Way more free flowing than the Cat.
$44.95 including USA priority shipping (usually 2-3 days).
For those that buy a NC Jack-Be-Quick rear & front set now through December 24th, I'll include a free set of elbows. Merry Christmas!
Go to WWW.Jack-Be-Quick.com
 
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| | | Drod | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2015 | | Posts | : | 53 | | Location | : | Yonkers, New York, United States |
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| | Posted : 16 Nov 2015 - 23:55 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: VABird) | | | guys, i did the cat bypass solution using the stainless steel elbows just recently. unfortunately, these pre-cut pipes were not available so i purchased my own online and cut them to size. came to about the same price but mine required me to cut and that took a little bit of time getting it to the right length. the two ends are not identical and need to be measured exactly. glad someone is offering them as a plug and play kit.
as for results, they are awesome. i love the deeper note and i do not mind the minor popping noise that comes from high rev deceleration. (just like the harleys)
if you like that type of noise than this is the solution you need. you don't have to remap if you are using stock pipes. if you are using TORs long or short, you'll need the TORs map # 20359.
at first you will notice more popping on decel but the ECU will adjust to the "new" airflow. it just takes a bit of time and patience. the popping will decrease significantly after a few hundred miles.
for $40 bucks it is the best bang for the buck. sounds meaner, and pulls harder. And like others have said, you can always go back so don't get rid of the cat.
another tip, go for the thunderbike uni high flow air intake kit that includes the air filter. you'll get another few horses out of it.
great combo.
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| | | VABird | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 28/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,373 | | Location | : | BEDFORD, Virginia, United States |
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| | Posted : 17 Nov 2015 - 01:16 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: Drod) | | |
Drod wrote:
guys, i did the cat bypass solution using the stainless steel elbows just recently. unfortunately, these pre-cut pipes were not available so i purchased my own online and cut them to size. came to about the same price but mine required me to cut and that took a little bit of time getting it to the right length. the two ends are not identical and need to be measured exactly. glad someone is offering them as a plug and play kit.
as for results, they are awesome. i love the deeper note and i do not mind the minor popping noise that comes from high rev deceleration. (just like the harleys)
if you like that type of noise than this is the solution you need. you don't have to remap if you are using stock pipes. if you are using TORs long or short, you'll need the TORs map # 20359.
at first you will notice more popping on decel but the ECU will adjust to the "new" airflow. it just takes a bit of time and patience. the popping will decrease significantly after a few hundred miles.
for $40 bucks it is the best bang for the buck. sounds meaner, and pulls harder. And like others have said, you can always go back so don't get rid of the cat.
another tip, go for the thunderbike uni high flow air intake kit that includes the air filter. you'll get another few horses out of it.
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Mine has never popped on decel. Just a nice burble. I've used them with stock air filter and K&N TB1600; no difference. Stock pipes and tune.
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| | | VABird | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 28/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,373 | | Location | : | BEDFORD, Virginia, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Nov 2015 - 20:15 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: VABird) | | |
VABird wrote:
Stainless steel elbows are now available. 304 stainless, die bent (have slight kink). Way more free flowing than the Cat.
$44.95 including USA priority shipping (usually 2-3 days).
For those that buy a NC Jack-Be-Quick rear & front set now through December 24th, I'll include a free set of elbows. Merry Christmas!
Go to WWW.Jack-Be-Quick.com
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OK, I thought I had to ship the elbows in a medium priority box but found out I can ship them in a bubble mailer for half.
New price is $39.95 (in USA) including priority shipping.
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| | | VABird | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 28/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,373 | | Location | : | BEDFORD, Virginia, United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Nov 2015 - 16:56 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: bnz433) | | | The website issues were a bit technical (aren't they all) but the discount is now 12.5% in lieu of the $25/$20/$10 discounts. That equates to a minimum of what was promised earlier, but is actually greater for Non USA buyers since it also discounts shipping!
Most of the issues with the website ( WWW.Jack-Be-Quick.com ) seem to be worked out. BUT if you opt for the free "elbows" coupon code, it may still offer them as a "you may be interested in" DON'T select it again. You may not see a confirmation of the free elbows, but be assured that if you pay the full price before Christmas (not select the 12.5% discount in lieu of free elbows) you'll get them if you purchase one of the front and rear sets.
The elbows are still available for purchase without the JBQ.
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| | | SeattleRod | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/07/2015 | | Posts | : | 38 | | Location | : | Seattle, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Jan 2016 - 02:22 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: VABird) | | | I finally had time to test ride my Storm with the elbows installed and I love them. At idle, the sound is a deeper but not much louder than with the cat installed, so it is still neighborhood friendly. When on the go, the sound is louder, which is exactly what i wanted; deeper sound, loud in traffic yet quiet in the neighborhood.
Thanks Bob for the elbows and for the great costumer support you provide.
Now, has anyone cleared the DEQ with the cat removed?
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| | | VABird | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 28/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,373 | | Location | : | BEDFORD, Virginia, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Jan 2016 - 04:49 Post title : Re: More on ELBOWS? (Re: SeattleRod) | | |
SeattleRod wrote:
I finally had time to test ride my Storm with the elbows installed and I love them. At idle, the sound is a deeper but not much louder than with the cat installed, so it is still neighborhood friendly. When on the go, the sound is louder, which is exactly what i wanted; deeper sound, loud in traffic yet quiet in the neighborhood.
Thanks Bob for the elbows and for the great customer support you provide.
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Glad to help.
Hey, if those straight piped Harleys roam around freely, nobody's gonna give these a second thought.
Been through annual inspection... no prob!
Bob
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