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| | | Mair | | Set |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 08/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 7 | | Location | : | Gdynia, Poland |
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| | Posted : 28 Apr 2015 - 19:53 Post title : Very hard clutch - help please ! | | | Hello gents, I'm new member, it's my first post, would really appreciate important advice in case of clutch:
I have recently purchased an 2010 1700 Tbird (+service kit from 1600 upto 1700 - made at dealer in US ) 8,000 miles on the clock.
But the clutch is driving me crazy. Cluch is very, very hard, I never met it in any other motorbike. After last 600 mi also is difficult to find neutral.
My mechanic has disassembled all cord yesterday, but looks that steel part is working fine and smooth inside. Without any visible damaged wires.
Do anyone found such problem? I hope it's not something inside engine, I hope...
In my country is rather poor Triumph service , just dealer, so I'm affraid that I have to find problem with help here.
Thanks in advance!
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| | | GerPa | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/12/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,919 | | Location | : | Mackay, Central Queensland, Australia |
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| | Posted : 28 Apr 2015 - 20:08 Post title : Re: Very hard clutch - help please ! (Re: Mair) | | | Mair
You might need to go to the Bike Bandit site and check the part numbers of the Clutch Springs, I could be wrong but I think I read on the forum here somewhere that the Storm and the 1700 come with heavier clutch springs, I have ridden a couple of Storms/1700 and I did not think that they are not uncomfortably or noticeably heavier.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 28 Apr 2015 - 20:18 Post title : Re: Very hard clutch - help please ! (Re: GerPa) | | | Are you saying that the clutch lever is hard to pull,or are you saying that the bike is hard shift and or get into or out of gear.First thing I would check is the free play in your clutch lever.If you have too much free play,then when you pull the lever in,the clutch isn't releasing enough hence you have a hard time getting it in neutral or changing gears.
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| | | Mair | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 7 | | Location | : | Gdynia, Poland |
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| | Posted : 28 Apr 2015 - 20:26 Post title : Re: Very hard clutch - help please ! (Re: GerPa) | | | Jupiter
engine opening is last thing I'd like to do. This is my first T-Bird and I haven't any comparison, and even my mechanic said that it's working very hard. T-Bird is very unusual bike in my country , so that I try find any solution before we'll start opening clutch cover...
I'm going through all posts and I can't find similar problem
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| | | Mair | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 7 | | Location | : | Gdynia, Poland |
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| | Posted : 28 Apr 2015 - 20:33 Post title : Re: Very hard clutch - help please ! (Re: davetac1) | | | Taranis
the clutch lever is hard to pull .
I'm rather big, more than 100kg, but my left hand after a few hours on the t-bird is almost death. Time to time I'm driving on HD or Y-dragstar and my clutch lever is like made by the smith
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| | | edmontonstorm | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,054 | | Location | : | Alberta, Canada |
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| | Posted : 28 Apr 2015 - 20:41 Post title : Re: Very hard clutch - help please ! (Re: Mair) | | | Well as others here have tried to do, you need to be more specific about what is happening.
1. Is the clutch just very hard to pull ?
2. Is the clutch easy to pull bud hard to put into gear? or to change gears?
3. Does the bike lurch foward (catch you off guard) when you are releasing the clutch between gears?
4. Does the bike hold neutral when the the clutch is pulled in (no movement and in gear)?
Is the clutch hard to pull and hard to get into or change gears?
Maybe this will help us a little bit help you. The storm can be a handfull of clutch for a person with smaller hands like me, i had to find a very sweet spot between not enough lever and too much to have things work good. I have a hell of a left hand hand shake right now though. :-)
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| | | edmontonstorm | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,054 | | Location | : | Alberta, Canada |
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| | Posted : 28 Apr 2015 - 20:45 Post title : Re: Very hard clutch - help please ! (Re: Mair) | | |
Mair wrote:
Taranis
the clutch lever is hard to pull .
I'm rather big, more than 100kg, but my left hand after a few hours on the t-bird is almost death. Time to time I'm driving on HD or Y-dragstar and my clutch lever is like made by the smith |
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was typing when you posted this. Try a couple things first.
1. Make sure you have about 3-5mm play in the clutch cable, do you know how to do this?
2. People have a habit of grabing the clutch lever to close to the inside of the grip, the further in you grab that clutch lever the harder its going to be, the further out on the grip you grab the lever the easier it will be, you gain the leverage of the length of the lever, hope that made sense.
these are the simple things.
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| | | Mair | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 7 | | Location | : | Gdynia, Poland |
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| | Posted : 28 Apr 2015 - 20:53 Post title : Re: Very hard clutch - help please ! (Re: edmontonstorm) | | | edmontonstorm
in order:
1. Is the clutch just very hard to pull ? --> Yes, this is the problem
2. Is the clutch easy to pull bud hard to put into gear? or to change gears? --> I can change gears without problem
3. Does the bike lurch foward (catch you off guard) when you are releasing the clutch between gears? --> here is only difficult to find neutral, works "imprecisely" - second problem
4. Does the bike hold neutral when the the clutch is pulled in (no movement and in gear)? --> yes, when I pulling in there is no gear and movement
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| | | Mair | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 7 | | Location | : | Gdynia, Poland |
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| | Posted : 28 Apr 2015 - 21:02 Post title : Re: Very hard clutch - help please ! (Re: edmontonstorm) | | | I'll lubricate all cord and assemble it all again tomorrow.
Thank you for all advices, I hope it's not some clutch problem in gearbox , but just some other reason.
Other my idea is to go to the dealer and check how it works in other new T-bird.
Anyway - I'll return here with results of my troubles
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| | | Daycruiser | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/11/2011 | | Posts | : | 704 | | Location | : | Garner, NC, United States |
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| | Posted : 28 Apr 2015 - 22:07 Post title : Re: Very hard clutch - help please ! (Re: Mair) | | | Here is what I recently found with mine. 2010 SE. The clutch became harder to pull but also had a noticeable strange feel to it. In any case it wasn't working right. I dropped the cable from both ends, handle and clutch release arm. Tested the clutch release arm with a make shift lever and it was smooth, no problem there. When I pulled the cable back and forth I could feel that strange feel but it wasn't hard to pull at all. I went ahead and removed the whole cable from the bike and what I discovered was there is a 90 degree bend just below the clutch release lever, that bend is a teflon coated steel tube. The cable had worn through the teflon coating inside the bend so with the tension of the clutch pull it was pulling hard against the steel tube and that is where the weird feel and the hard pull was coming from. Replaced the whole cable and Ta-Da brand new clutch. I did make one change, I also notice when removing the cable that the factory jambs the cable up against the bottom of the crankcase with a bracket bolted to the sump. I cut one end off the cable so I could easily pull the whole cable out of the bracket without removing it. When I put the new cable back in I went under the bracket and used stainless steel cable ties to anchor it to the bracket and all else is the same as factory routing. Since the lower 60% of the cable is steel lined I have to think the heat from the engine got to it and basically deformed the cable jacket. I made sure when I replaced the cable that it was not against the sump or any other hot component. $42.00 later it's all good now.
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,403 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 28 Apr 2015 - 22:18 Post title : Re: Very hard clutch - help please ! (Re: Mair) | | | Be careful with lubing the inner cable, it will attract grit and wear the cable. They have Teflon lined outer cable so don't require oiling.
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| | Posted : 29 Apr 2015 - 02:23 Post title : Re: Very hard clutch - help please ! (Re: Daycruiser) | | | Daycruiser, I just had a similar problem with my cable but ended up with springs , new clutch and cable. Felt like I lost my clutch on a trip to Daytona. It had seemed to be getting a bit harder to pull in. When I revved the engine a bit it would slip. Drove 100 miles taking it as slow as I could and figured I damaged the clutch. Mine is bored to 1700 so ordered springs and clutch with cable. Turned out after all that the cable would pull in but not release all the way at that 90. More than likely that was all that was wrong but since I had the clutch and rode that way for so many miles I went ahead and installed it. It really wasn't that much trouble and with 1700 springs I don't considered it a hard pull now. Word of caution, clutch plates are not equal on each end and one can install it backwards. It will lurch forward when you put it in gear. I found out the hard way.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Apr 2015 - 02:06 Post title : Re: Very hard clutch - help please ! (Re: Jango) | | | Since I have owned my SE,almost five years now and over 82,000 miles,[not kilometers]I have been religiously lubing my cable and pivot points at the handle bar end,as well as the pivot point at the clutch lever end by the clutch cover on the motor,and so far,so good.I have,however,replaced two clutch levers and two bushings at the handle bar end as they seem to wear out rather quickly.As you guys know,the clutch lever and cable assembly are the most used components on all motorcycles which use the standard clutch.Hence the reason I do it. Dave!!!
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| | | Daycruiser | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/11/2011 | | Posts | : | 704 | | Location | : | Garner, NC, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Apr 2015 - 09:10 Post title : Re: Very hard clutch - help please ! (Re: davetac1) | | | Dave, when I removed the cable from the sleeve the cable was perfect, no dirt, no corrosion, nothing. I've lubed that cable three times in the last year. I think the heat is what got to it, heated the cable itself to deform or melt the coating in the 90 degree elbow and then start rubbing against the steel elbow. My bike was a 1600, no issues with the Stock 1600 clutch now being a fairly modified 1700.
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| | Posted : 01 May 2015 - 03:33 Post title : Re: Very hard clutch - help please ! (Re: Mair) | | |
Mair wrote:
Hello gents, I'm new member, it's my first post, would really appreciate important advice in case of clutch:
I have recently purchased an 2010 1700 Tbird (+service kit from 1600 upto 1700 - made at dealer in US ) 8,000 miles on the clock.
But the clutch is driving me crazy. Cluch is very, very hard, I never met it in any other motorbike. After last 600 mi also is difficult to find neutral.
My mechanic has disassembled all cord yesterday, but looks that steel part is working fine and smooth inside. Without any visible damaged wires.
Do anyone found such problem? I hope it's not something inside engine, I hope...
In my country is rather poor Triumph service , just dealer, so I'm affraid that I have to find problem with help here.
Thanks in advance! |
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Take it to the dealer. The tbird has very light pull at the lever. If yours Pulls hard, something is not right
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 01 May 2015 - 03:55 Post title : Re: Very hard clutch - help please ! (Re: Daycruiser) | | | I try to lube my clutch cable and ends every month because it's used so much.I learned to do that on my other bikes that used cables.It may be a PIA,but worth it.I just can't see being on the side of the road with a broken clutch cable when I'm a long ways from home. However,due to the amount of cable failures I've read about on here,I now carry a spare cable,just in case. Dave!!!
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