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| TVL65 | | Set |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 98 | | Location | : | wayne, NJ, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Apr 2013 - 21:42 Post title : How do I know it's a 1700? | | | I bought my Thunderbird at a NJ dealer brand new off the showroom floor back in 2010. The lower chrome cover says 104 inches. Other than that I don't have any proof from the dealer aside from them saying its a 1700. Back then did the factory make alot of 1700's? Or did the dealer upgrade the bikes themselves? My concern is that the dealer simply swapped out the side cover to call it a 1700 and nobody would know the difference. Thanks for your assistance!
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| RC65 | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 19/05/2011 | | Posts | : | 679 | | Location | : | Redmond, Washington, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Apr 2013 - 22:02 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: TVL65) | | | The title should indicate it, I believe. I haven't looked at mine since purchase, so I can't be sure, but I would imagine it would. You could also call Triumph's U.S. number, give them your VIN, and they should be able to tell you how many ccs it left the factory with.
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| Thatch | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Apr 2013 - 22:06 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: TVL65) | | | There is no physical outside difference in the 1600 and 1700 bikes with the exception of the cover. You are correct that the cover could be swapped without the actual upgrade being made. I for example didn't swap my cover after my Bob install. There weren't any factory 1700s in 2010 to my knowledge. They did come the following year, but were typically the red haze bikes (some bikes had time swapped though). Only was I can think to tell is either by comparison to another bird. If you could ride a 1600 you could tell easily enough, but also just listening, the idle is slower on the 1700 and the tone is deeper. The last way would be to get TuneECU and see what tune is loaded. Its doubtful a 1600 would have a the 1700 tune loaded. Of course you could always dyno it as well.
Sorry I can't think of an easy cut and dried way to tell
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Apr 2013 - 22:09 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: RC65) | | | RC65 wrote:
The title should indicate it, I believe. I haven't looked at mine since purchase, so I can't be sure, but I would imagine it would. You could also call Triumph's U.S. number, give them your VIN, and they should be able to tell you how many ccs it left the factory with. |
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True, if it was a factory Bb, but doubtful there would be any info on a post factory install. Perhaps there would a triumph service history you could ask for... no idea, I've never ask for one.
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| | Posted : 20 Apr 2013 - 22:26 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: TVL65) | | | Like Thatch said, download tuneecu from tuneecu.com and you can connect to the bike via a PC and read the tune thats in it. Then look at the library of tunes at tuneecu.com and the number will tell you if it's a tune for the 1600 or 1700. Plus tuneecu is a great tool to have that will allow you to change tunes and do many other useful things.
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| Druid | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,359 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 20 Apr 2013 - 22:38 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: daz) | | | Yep all of the above
VIN number if its factory fitted and the log book if you have such a thing
TUNE ecu check the map
Or the dealer BB kit bill if its after market .
You could always race a storm . If you keep pace its the 1700 . 
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| | Posted : 21 Apr 2013 - 16:47 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: Thatch) | | |
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There is no physical outside difference in the 1600 and 1700 bikes with the exception of the cover. You are correct that the cover could be swapped without the actual upgrade being made. I for example didn't swap my cover after my Bob install. There weren't any factory 1700s in 2010 to my knowledge. They did come the following year, but were typically the red haze bikes (some bikes had time swapped though). Only was I can think to tell is either by comparison to another bird. If you could ride a 1600 you could tell easily enough, but also just listening, the idle is slower on the 1700 and the tone is deeper. The last way would be to get TuneECU and see what tune is loaded. Its doubtful a 1600 would have a the 1700 tune loaded. Of course you could always dyno it as well.
Sorry I can't think of an easy cut and dried way to tell |
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Sorry Thatch, .. I've got a 2010 factory 1700 ABS, registered April 2011, it was originally black, ..... before the glitter ball "make over"
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Apr 2013 - 16:58 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: sprint5t) | | | I sure don't recall them doing that in the states. Perhaps they did but I sure don't recall it. I know England (and the rest of the EU to my knowledge) don't track model year numbers the same way the US does. Isn't it usually registration dates that you all go by? How is model year determined there? Stateside we'd be seeing 2011 bikes sometime in October of 2010 or thereabouts. Have you done the VIN decode on your bike? Just curious.
Regardless, it is was a factory 1700 that would be the easiest for him as the original paperwork and the subsequent paperwork should show that.
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| | Posted : 21 Apr 2013 - 18:05 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: Thatch) | | | You have me curious now Thatch. My Thunderbird is also a black 2010 model with the BB installed from the factory. It is registered as a 2010, and there is no record of the shop doing any work to the bike. 
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| RC65 | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 19/05/2011 | | Posts | : | 679 | | Location | : | Redmond, Washington, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Apr 2013 - 18:06 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: Thatch) | | |
Thatch wrote:
RC65 wrote:
The title should indicate it, I believe. I haven't looked at mine since purchase, so I can't be sure, but I would imagine it would. You could also call Triumph's U.S. number, give them your VIN, and they should be able to tell you how many ccs it left the factory with. |
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True, if it was a factory Bb, but doubtful there would be any info on a post factory install. Perhaps there would a triumph service history you could ask for... no idea, I've never ask for one. |
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Probably a safe assumption, though, that if it was bought brand-new off the dealer showroom, as the OP mentions, that it was a factory BB. Yes, it's feasible that the dealer could have done it prior to sale and then put on the chrome cover to "advertise" it but it seems like the less likely explanation. A phone call to Triumph will be your easiest venue. If they say that it''s a 1600, then the other options mentioned here might be a good followup. You could also go back to the dealer from who you bought it from and ask for a copy of the BB install work order (if that's what it turns out to be, though, again, I'd guess otherwise) for your records...I'm sure they'd give you a copy.
As far as 2010 factory 1700s in the States, I've seen those a number of times...in fact, the only factory 1700s that I've seen have all been 2010s. That's not to say they didn't import them for other years, but the only ones I've seen are 2010 models.
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| Druid | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,359 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 21 Apr 2013 - 19:21 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: RC65) | | | I thought we used to moan that they never did factory installs. We used to moan that it would be easier to buy a factory install as they build the engine in Hinckly and while it was being built why not put a bb in if we wanted it. Then we asumed it was for dealer support and work to send the BB kit with the bike and have the dealer install it . I thought the only models with BB kit installed was the special editions like the red haze ect.
Im probably wrong but hey.
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| TVL65 | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 98 | | Location | : | wayne, NJ, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Apr 2013 - 20:37 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: Druid) | | | Well, I looked through all of my paperwork I got when I bought the bike from the dealer, all I have are 2 receipts from the dealer which list the VIN plus year and model being a Thunderbird 1700. Thats it. No installation receipt for the 1700 kit.
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| sprint5t | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 07/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 355 | | Location | : | Ely, Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 21 Apr 2013 - 20:48 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: Druid) | | | Chaps, ... I appreciate that in the US they decide model year numbers in a different way to here in the UK, ... My bike registered in April 2011 was in the dealership for a little while before I bought it, it would definitely have been manufactured in 2010.
As i said it came directly from the factory as a 1700 with ABS as standard, the left cover has 1700 written on it not 104, the registration document Model description is -Triumph Thunderbird ABS 1700, the CC as 1700 it also has a Type description of B16BA.
And insurance company model options on their database describe it (oxymoronically) as a Big Bore.
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 21 Apr 2013 - 21:00 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: sprint5t) | | | There were 186 Tbirds registered as 1700 in 2010 in the UK. None in 2009. Not as a Storm but as 1700 Thunderbird.
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| | Posted : 22 Apr 2013 - 01:07 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: TVL65) | | | I also have a 1700 phantom red haze bought in july 2010 from the factory, mine has abs brakes does yours have abs bakes?????? some 1600 that had the bb kit installed did not have abs brakes.......
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| TVL65 | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 98 | | Location | : | wayne, NJ, United States |
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| | Posted : 22 Apr 2013 - 02:17 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: beast1700) | | | Yup, I have ABS. I just find it difficult to believe that a dealer would take the time to install the 1700 kit. It would just be easier for them to slap on a $50 cover that says 104 inches. 
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| | Posted : 22 Apr 2013 - 02:38 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: TVL65) | | | Well, it may not be the most scientific approach, but... Take your bike to a dealer, test ride a 1600 next to your bike and see which one tries to rip your arm off when you twist the throttle.
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| | Posted : 22 Apr 2013 - 06:43 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: TVL65) | | | Easiest way would seem to be dyno test. If your getting the power curve of the 1700 job done.
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| EnGage | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Apr 2013 - 00:45 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: TVL65) | | |
TVL65 wrote:
... The lower chrome cover says 104 inches. Other than that I don't have any proof from the dealer aside from them saying its a 1700. ... |
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Have you squeezed the pistons to see if they feel bigger? 
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| | Posted : 25 Apr 2013 - 01:03 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: EnGage) | | | I have a 2012 and wanted to get the 1700 cover. My dealer said they weren't available. I had seen a BB kit on e-bay with a 1700 cover.
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| RC65 | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 19/05/2011 | | Posts | : | 679 | | Location | : | Redmond, Washington, United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Apr 2013 - 06:24 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: beast1700) | | | TVL65, it's been a few days...did you call Triumph headquarters to get an answer, to see how it left the factory? What'd they say?
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Apr 2013 - 06:43 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: Dougl) | | |
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I have a 2012 and wanted to get the 1700 cover. My dealer said they weren't available. I had seen a BB kit on e-bay with a 1700 cover. |
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Typically the 1700 was sold in Europe and the 104 was sold in the US. I don't recall any 1700 covers being on US installs. As for buying just the cover, a quick search online showed that neither the 1700 or 104 cover was available by itself, indicating that Triumph is at least attempting to keep this sort of question from coming up (to at least some degree). However, surely a dealer could order the part as it is more than possible that a cover could be damaged in a lay-over of an actual BB bird. Push the dealer a bit to contact Triumph directly and find out about getting a cover. Offer to trade out the 104 cover for the 1700 to ensure you aren't trying to mislead anyone (or profit by reselling the cover). It may be that Triumph won't distribute the 1700 in the US or they may just not sell it by itself at all (they don't always seem to trust their own dealers at times), but it's worth asking if it's important to you. Personally I never mounted my cover at all. It still sits in it's original packaging. I like the simple uncluttered look of the bike sans-callout.
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 25 Apr 2013 - 08:02 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: Thatch) | | | Never thought, when I picked my bike up after the BB fit, to pick up the cover. Someone could have had that for free. I doubt they still have it now but will ask.
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| TVL65 | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 98 | | Location | : | wayne, NJ, United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Apr 2013 - 16:08 Post title : Re: How do I know it's a 1700? (Re: mat1600) | | | Okay, I called Triumph, spoke to a very nice customer service Rep named Greg, he ran the VIN and the results are: It's a factory 1700! Whoohoo!! We talked & he told me a large majority of the 1700's came that way directly from the factory. Dealers prefer not to do the 1600 to 1700 upgrade themselves, unless they don't have a 1700 in stock & a customer wants one badly. Basically there's no real profit in it for them to do it.We talked more & the Rocket Roadster 3 MSRP is $14,799 MSRP, Hmmmmm
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