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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Nov 2011 - 06:02 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: tadpole) | | | I just responded to this in another thread.When I talked with the dealer today,he claimed that neither he or Triumph no's anything about this bulletin.So either Triumph,the dealer,or both,are playin dumb.However,the dealer did ask to see a copy of the bulletin.So I printed it out and will hand deliver it to them this Tuesday.We'll see what Triumph has to say about it now as it clearly states that the flange MUST be replaced at the 24K service if it's below the serial number listed,which mine is.If nothing else,this otta start somethin.lol I'll keep ya posted. I know! What a trouble maker!! lol Dave!!!
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| | | Gonzo | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2010 | | Posts | : | 643 | | Location | : | Sydney, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 19 Feb 2012 - 23:45 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: davetac1) | | |
davetac1 wrote:
I DO NOT use the marks on the adjuster or the swing arm as they are inaccurate for this procedure.I lift the wheel just off the floor.I then slowly rotate the wheel to find the tightest part of the belt in the little window in the lower belt guard.I then set my tension by hand to approximately tens pounds of pressure using the right adjuster to tighten or loosen the tension.I then sit on the floor directly behind the tire and spin it by hand in a foward motion while watching to see where the belt rides on that rear cog.Then using the left adjuster and a third nut I installed on the inside of that left adjuster,I can move the adjuster in or out accordingly with those nuts until I get the belt to stay to the right and just off the edge of the cog,leaving a small space approximately .002 or better between the machined edge of the cog [right side] and the inside edge of the belt.I then rotate the wheel again to make sure my adjustment doesn't change.I then recheck my tension and adjust if neccessary and reset the alignmennt again if neccessary.I have been successful using this procedure and the belt doesn't rub and or make noise.
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>Then using the left adjuster and a third nut I installed on the inside of that left adjuster
Have you got a photo to show us where that third nut is?
Thanks,
Gonzo
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Mods: locking gas cap; ISO-Wings for passenger; engine guards; dresser bars; Arlen Ness LED licence plate holder, rego tube and coloured number plate; long TORs; Pilot highway pegs w/ Magnum clamps; windshield; lower deflectors (customised); ISO grips; HD switch-block; Hardstreet Slimbags (colour matched); Corbin dual tour seat; Luggage rack & bag.
Todo: Various chroming of hand-made parts, Convex mirrors
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| | | Gonzo | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2010 | | Posts | : | 643 | | Location | : | Sydney, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 19 Feb 2012 - 23:49 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: Linkdog) | | |
Linkdog wrote:
Has anyone even seen one of those Triumph wheel alignment tools and can it be easily duplicated|IMG Src='http://www.thunderbird1600.com/csp/Thunderbird/Images/Emoticons/More/017.gif'> |
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Yes, I've seen it... Looks like a long bolt (12" or so) with a t-piece on the end, bent back a bit so as to hook onto something. Not seen how it is used, though. Will try to get a pic of it, if you want?
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Mods: locking gas cap; ISO-Wings for passenger; engine guards; dresser bars; Arlen Ness LED licence plate holder, rego tube and coloured number plate; long TORs; Pilot highway pegs w/ Magnum clamps; windshield; lower deflectors (customised); ISO grips; HD switch-block; Hardstreet Slimbags (colour matched); Corbin dual tour seat; Luggage rack & bag.
Todo: Various chroming of hand-made parts, Convex mirrors
Wishlist: Mini-ape handlebars, Hard clearcoat over tank
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Feb 2012 - 02:04 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: Gonzo) | | |
Gonzo wrote:
davetac1 wrote:
I DO NOT use the marks on the adjuster or the swing arm as they are inaccurate for this procedure.I lift the wheel just off the floor.I then slowly rotate the wheel to find the tightest part of the belt in the little window in the lower belt guard.I then set my tension by hand to approximately tens pounds of pressure using the right adjuster to tighten or loosen the tension.I then sit on the floor directly behind the tire and spin it by hand in a foward motion while watching to see where the belt rides on that rear cog.Then using the left adjuster and a third nut I installed on the inside of that left adjuster,I can move the adjuster in or out accordingly with those nuts until I get the belt to stay to the right and just off the edge of the cog,leaving a small space approximately .002 or better between the machined edge of the cog [right side] and the inside edge of the belt.I then rotate the wheel again to make sure my adjustment doesn't change.I then recheck my tension and adjust if neccessary and reset the alignmennt again if neccessary.I have been successful using this procedure and the belt doesn't rub and or make noise.
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>Then using the left adjuster and a third nut I installed on the inside of that left adjuster
Have you got a photo to show us where that third nut is?
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I do not have a picture to show you as I don't have a digital camera.And even if I did,I wouldn't know how to transfer the pictures from the camera to the computer.I'm not that smart.lol
But what ya gotta do,is remove the axle,then the two adjuster nuts on the left adjuster, then the adjuster itself.Next put a nut with a built on washer like the one used on the back side of the adjuster,with the flat end of it facing rearward,put the adjuster back in place,then the two outer nuts,then replace the axle.You can now use that inner nut [third nut] to pull and hold the wheel foward,and the rear nut on the rear of the adjuster to pull and hold the wheel from the rear.The inner nut will hold the wheel in place from moving rearward and the nut on the back to hold the wheel from moving foward.Do you understand what I'm tryin to explain???? Dave!!!
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| | | Gonzo | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2010 | | Posts | : | 643 | | Location | : | Sydney, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 20 Feb 2012 - 03:28 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: davetac1) | | | Dave,
That all makes sense. Thanks for clarifying and also detailing your alignment process. 
Gonzo
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Mods: locking gas cap; ISO-Wings for passenger; engine guards; dresser bars; Arlen Ness LED licence plate holder, rego tube and coloured number plate; long TORs; Pilot highway pegs w/ Magnum clamps; windshield; lower deflectors (customised); ISO grips; HD switch-block; Hardstreet Slimbags (colour matched); Corbin dual tour seat; Luggage rack & bag.
Todo: Various chroming of hand-made parts, Convex mirrors
Wishlist: Mini-ape handlebars, Hard clearcoat over tank
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| | | mat1600 | | Thunderbird | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 20 Feb 2012 - 08:18 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: Gonzo) | | | I shall do this mod of Dave's and post the pics for him - when my wheel is off next.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Feb 2012 - 13:45 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: mat1600) | | | Ya don't have to pull the wheel to do this.Simply lift the bike just enough to take the weight off the tire,then you can slide the X out,do the thrid nut procedure,and slide the X back in.Then lift the wheel off the floor so it spins freely,and do your adjustment from there.I usually sit on the floor directly behind the bike and spin the wheel in a foward direction,watching where the belt rides.Ya want it on the right side,leaving a small gap between the outer edge of the drive cog and the inner edge of the belt.Leave the axle nut LOOSE when doing the adjustment procedure.Then when ya have it where ya want it,torque the nut and spin the wheel again.Sometimes ya get it on the first shot,but sometimes you'll note that after the nut is torqued,the belt wants to travel to the inner side of the rear cog again.If you find that's what its doin,then loosen the axle nut again,and using that thrid nut,turn it a 1/8 or 1/4 turn to correct that condition,it don't take much,then torque the axle nut again and spin the wheel again.Ya may have to do it a couple times in order to get it right.It'll take ya a few tries to figure it out,but once ya do,it'll all make sense.OK?? Dave!!!
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| | | mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 20 Feb 2012 - 23:38 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: davetac1) | | |  Your not as lazy as me then - I lift the bike and shove it in second (engine running) and let the wheel run round - then adjust up - occaisionally pulling the clutch to test belt play - I leave the spindle nut fairly tight while adjusting.
You have to be quick - that smoke stuff does your brain in.
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| | | Blackbird | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 25 | | Location | : | Madison, WI, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Feb 2012 - 00:10 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: davetac1) | | | Dave
What bullentin? Can you post this bullentin or put a link up to go to it? I'm still dealing with the chirping and squeking with the dealer. Right now they owe me a new belt because they tighten to the max setting and the belt started to chip up on the outside. I just want to get this resolved before this seasons riding.
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Jeff
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Feb 2012 - 01:21 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: Blackbird) | | | Jeff: There is no bulletin.This is somethin I figured out thru trial and eror after goin thru what everyone else has been goin thru.And the best part is,it actually works. Not bad for a dummy,huh?? lol lol Dave!!!
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| | | CornerBanger | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 07/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,113 | | Location | : | Charleston, SC, United States |
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| | Posted : 22 Feb 2012 - 00:02 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: davetac1) | | | I put Mat's bearing mod in and finally got to test it Monday. My bike has been off the road for two months for chroming and some painting...
Here are some pictures of the spindle with the bearings going in. It cost me about $40 US to have the new center spacer made out of stainless and another $30 for the bearings. You will have to figure in some seals and stock bearings if you damage them on removal.
Mat, your specs for the spacer and bearing size are perfect!!! Much appreciated! And best of all, the damn chirping is gone  
Sprocket side one bearing installed
Sprocket side two bearings installed
Sprocket side three bearings installed
Cush drive side, no bearing. You can see the other side's bearings as the spacer has not been installed.
Installing cush drive side bearing. Notice the spacer installed
Cush drive side bearing installed. Notice the spacer just below the bearing.
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| | Posted : 22 Feb 2012 - 06:46 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: mat1600) | | | Hi Matt
I have looked at your mod. and it looks very straight forward. How many miles do you have on now with the modification?
Do you believe that three bearings are necessary to replace the needle bearing and race or would two be sufficient then use a spacer to take up the width?
Are you using SolidWorks for your illustrations?
Thanks
Jeff
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| | | mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 22 Feb 2012 - 08:52 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: Blackbird) | | | For the price - put three in. The load factor on the 3 bearings works out about the same as the needle bearing. Plus three bearing fills the housing just right. I have about 1000 miles on mine now (freakin' winter stopped play).
I have several cad and cad/cam systems - those drawings were done on Alibre Pro.
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| | | mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 22 Feb 2012 - 08:56 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: CornerBanger) | | | Glad it works for you - just need to get several k miles on before I contact Triumph. Good pics by the way. Did you get the spacer made from Stainless, I made mine in st/st because of the ingress of moisture that started rusting the bearings.
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| | | CornerBanger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 07/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,113 | | Location | : | Charleston, SC, United States |
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| | Posted : 22 Feb 2012 - 13:16 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: mat1600) | | |
mat1600 wrote:
Glad it works for you - just need to get several k miles on before I contact Triumph. Good pics by the way. Did you get the spacer made from Stainless, I made mine in st/st because of the ingress of moisture that started rusting the bearings.
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I had a machinist friend of mine make the spacer in Stainless Steel to prevent corrosion. On the 3rd day of no squeaky squeaky!!!
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2007 Kawi KX250F
2010 Kawi KX85 (My boy's ride)
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| | | mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 22 Feb 2012 - 13:35 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: CornerBanger) | | |
CornerBanger wrote:
mat1600 wrote:
Glad it works for you - just need to get several k miles on before I contact Triumph. Good pics by the way. Did you get the spacer made from Stainless, I made mine in st/st because of the ingress of moisture that started rusting the bearings.
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I had a machinist friend of mine make the spacer in Stainless Steel to prevent corrosion. On the 3rd day of no squeaky squeaky!!! |
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I shall knock a few up for anyone that wants to do the mod. Hope you can knock more miles than I can do to give this mod a good test (bloody winter).
Cheers Chris.
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| | | CornerBanger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 07/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,113 | | Location | : | Charleston, SC, United States |
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| | Posted : 22 Feb 2012 - 13:48 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: mat1600) | | |
mat1600 wrote:
CornerBanger wrote:
mat1600 wrote:
Glad it works for you - just need to get several k miles on before I contact Triumph. Good pics by the way. Did you get the spacer made from Stainless, I made mine in st/st because of the ingress of moisture that started rusting the bearings.
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I had a machinist friend of mine make the spacer in Stainless Steel to prevent corrosion. On the 3rd day of no squeaky squeaky!!! |
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I shall knock a few up for anyone that wants to do the mod. Hope you can knock more miles than I can do to give this mod a good test (bloody winter).
Cheers Chris.
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Oh, I forgot... I hit 112 this morning and it is all well and good. No shudder, no shake, and no irritating high pitched tone... I know some of you are asking "but why are you going so fast?" Because I can and the Bird lets me Thanks, I will be here all day. Dont forget to tip your bartenders and waitresses. And try the veal its good...
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| | | zolti | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 22 Feb 2012 - 18:40 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: CornerBanger) | | |
CornerBanger wrote:
Here are some pictures of the spindle with the bearings going in.
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brill set of images
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| | Posted : 24 Feb 2012 - 05:03 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: mat1600) | | | Matt
So, the conclusion is the chirping noise was never the belt but in the needle bearing and race? The thread mentions bearing failure, did some bird owners experience failure of the needle bearing?
Sorry if I'm hatching old news
I will make this mod too because these noises drive me crazy
Thanks
Jeff
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| | | mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 24 Feb 2012 - 09:08 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: Blackbird) | | |
Blackbird wrote:
Matt
So, the conclusion is the chirping noise was never the belt but in the needle bearing and race? The thread mentions bearing failure, did some bird owners experience failure of the needle bearing?
Sorry if I'm hatching old news
I will make this mod too because these noises drive me crazy
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Yes , these bearing do fail. The trouble being the fine small needles in the bearing can get a bit of muck in which is as good as the end of life for the thing. They do squeek and squeel. BUT !!!!!!! the belt also makes a squeek sound but different. If you think youy have bearing probs, the way to check is use WD40 with that long pipe nozzle on and sray some into where the rear spindle seal is, making sure you don't get any on the belt. Go for a ride right away and see if the sqeek has gone/changed, if so, its your bearing. You may have to try it a couple of times to get some in there. I know of several that have been cured. Done three myself.
Have a look at the 'How to' thread on this subject and look at the 'cut away' drawing I did and you will see what its all about.
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| | | fab | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,515 | | Location | : | wyong, nsw, Australia |
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| | Posted : 24 Feb 2012 - 20:31 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: mat1600) | | | hey matt, can you knock me up a spacer when you get time please.
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Remember, soft cocks hang around all life long, hard ones come and go
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| | | mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 25 Feb 2012 - 20:10 Post title : Re: Chirping, squeaking and bearing failure (Re: fab) | | |
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No probs. If your in a rush - get the sizes from the info on the ' how to convert' thread and see if you can get one made if you know anyone with a lathe. All the info is on that thread - if you can't find it let me know.
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