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| EnGage | | Thor |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Oct 2011 - 19:37 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: Ted) | | | Ted wrote:
I know, I've tried & I'm embarrassed by it. Must've been drunk when it was posted. Zolti made me. Mebbe Bedouin can take it off. |
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No worries mate. I've posted some goofy stuff after a couple of Manhattans 
Looks like Bedouin or Boomer has come to your (our) rescue 
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| magpie | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,507 | | Location | : | NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 21 Oct 2011 - 01:52 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: EnGage) | | |
Maybe we can get Bedouin or Boomer to extend the time frame for editing...
I have to admit that I have "posted when pissed".
Dangerous hobby, texting and posting on the web when you have had a gutful.
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| dribt | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 31/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 382 | | Location | : | Maitland, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 21 Oct 2011 - 08:08 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: EnGage) | | | On that idea I would like to give a big shout out to the dealer at Port Macquarie in NSW, Australia . Two of us, with busted throttles, with heated grips as described here, arrived (with a little bit of prior warning via a phone call relayed from my local Newcastle dealer) at his shop on a Saturday early afternoon, on what turned out to be one of his busiest days of the year (he was hosting a Triumph ride day).
He didn't have any spare heated grips to replace ours with but he did go out of his way to take the offending items off and replace them with a couple of replacement grips all for the cost price of the grips. No labour charge but quite a deal of inconvenience to his operation on the day.
On returning to my dealer in Newcastle there was no hesitation in replacing the grips with new, under warranty.
Just as a warning to others who may be getting a bit worried about their grips going the same way - from memory there is a bit of a warning that you can look out for.
I remember that there was a feeling of slight (read very slight like a light scraping feeling) restriction in the throttle movement for a fair period before it eventually just broke. In hindsight it probably felt a bit dodgy for a little while (read maybe 500-600kms) beforehand. I hope this helps others.
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I have been trying to think of a way to describe the roadside repair that a good samaritan, who stopped to help and myself, managed to fashion to get me going. I didn't get any photos of our repair but it was simpler than what I have seen here and could help others in the same predicament. No drills and wire or cable ties needed.
It amounted to taking the return cable out of its hole and looping the pull cable over into the return cable's spot. The return cable was then held out of the way, but in alignment with the original layout, by a small elastic band that "old mate" had with him. A bit if string or similar would do the trick. The grip outer assembly was then reassembled which help keep the whole lot in place. The result was that I had throttle on as usual but had to manually return to off when throttling off. Just like in the days when there were no return cables in throttles. No problems - I rode a couple of hundred kilometres or so with that set up and I believe that it would have taken me further.
Sorry if the words don't paint the picture I'm trying to convey. I will try and rig up some photos on my replacement grip and post them here this weekend.
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| Ted | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/06/2010 | | Posts | : | 551 | | Location | : | March, Cambs, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 21 Oct 2011 - 11:19 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: dribt) | | | ...and a shout out to Jason Griffiths in the Isle of Man. During TT fortnight my bird decided to spew coolant over the engine. I turned up at Jason's place in Castletown with my poorly bird. There was around 20 bikers competing for his attention, in what must be his busiest week. He took a quick look, wheeled it into the workshop, took my number and said he'd fix it within a couple of hours. Rang me 2 hours later, all fixed, no charge (under warranty). I gave the mech £20.
It was the dreaded coolant pipe under the tank.
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| EnGage | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Oct 2011 - 12:58 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: dribt) | | | dribt wrote:
Just as a warning to others who may be getting a bit worried about their grips going the same way - from memory there is a bit of a warning that you can look out for.
I remember that there was a feeling of slight (read very slight like a light scraping feeling) restriction in the throttle movement for a fair period before it eventually just broke. In hindsight it probably felt a bit dodgy for a little while (read maybe 500-600kms) beforehand. I hope this helps others.
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+1 on that. For about two weeks prior to breaking I felt the same very slight resistance. It felt to me like the cable was sticking or the throttle needed lubrication. I made a mental note to determine what needed lubrication and fix it when the cold weather came. It didn't dawn on me until it broke that was the retaining mechanism failing
dribt wrote:
It amounted to taking the return cable out of its hole and looping the pull cable over into the return cable's spot.
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I thought of this as well, but it didn't seem like I had enough slack in the cable. Apparently, I was wrong 
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| DizzE | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Oct 2011 - 14:37 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: EnGage) | | | I don't remember any warnings. I turned up the hill to park at Crazy Horse, downshifted and grabbed a handful of nothing.
Reminded me of the very first time I threw the chain on a bicycle, I was so clueless.
ZOOM, Zoom, zoooooom???? 
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 21 Oct 2011 - 14:53 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: DizzE) | | |
DizzE wrote:
I don't remember any warnings. I turned up the hill to park at Crazy Horse, downshifted and grabbed a handful of nothing.
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Just like a HD then...........
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| DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Oct 2011 - 14:58 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: mat1600) | | |
That's what I kept telling my Harley dogger. It was all in good fun. But, his was obviously running.
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| zolti | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 21 Oct 2011 - 17:12 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: mat1600) | | |
mat1600 wrote:
DizzE wrote:
I don't remember any warnings. I turned up the hill to park at Crazy Horse, downshifted and grabbed a handful of nothing.
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Just like a HD then...........
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lad i work with has a mate who just spent a fortune on a hd.....
1 week and its brake lines leaked
3 weeks to fix
i offered to get him some straws from the cafe 
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| dribt | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 31/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 382 | | Location | : | Maitland, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 22 Oct 2011 - 07:26 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: EnGage) | | | Hi EnGage, It took a little bit of juggling and releasing of all of the slack through both cable adjusters but it worked fine. In fact I now remember that when I initially tried to start the bike when we made the first connection it reved out quite a bit. I shut down straight away and loosened both cables right off - did the trick but I was constantly on edge waiting for something to go wrong and I was very gentle with throttle movements until I built some confidence that all was working ok.
One thing I didn't say, was that when I was checking out what had happened, I noticed that both cable adjusters had been wound on quite a bit. I believe that there was a lot of tension on the cables which had transferred to the spots where the cables fit into the grip. By the way it wasn't me who tensioned the cables.
I now make sure I have plenty of slack in the adjustment; bit annoying but not as annoying as having no go when you want it.
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| EnGage | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 22 Oct 2011 - 12:52 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: dribt) | | | Dribt - there is suppose to be some slack in the cable. If i remember right, its 1/8 inch.
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| dribt | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 31/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 382 | | Location | : | Maitland, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 24 Oct 2011 - 07:59 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: EnGage) | | | Yep, I know but it was over adjusted during a service  , not long before the Port ride where I had the problem. I guess it is a warning to us all to check on stuff after servicing.
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| dribt | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 31/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 382 | | Location | : | Maitland, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 29 Oct 2011 - 03:25 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: EnGage) | | | Hi again all, sorry it has taken so long to get to post my "patch up job" but here goes. It was lucky for me at the time that the bloke who stopped to help had an elastic band in his vehicle but a bit of string or similar would do the trick. In these photos I have hooked the "pull" side cable over into the "return" side and then secured the return side such that it is still aligned so that it can fit back into the casing (the elastic band that I used today actually broke but you should be able to get the idea). The whole assembly can then be re-assembled as normal. No need for cutting or drilling or cable ties, wire etc.
I am submitting this as another option that worked for me at the time. I thank again the bloke who stopped to help as it was he who had the screwdriver and the elastic band and a creative "we can fix this" approach and together we worked out the solution.
I do not want to disrespect the solutions that others have posted - I applaud their iniative and creativity  .
I hope this helps others with the same problem.
I have now included in my "tool box" the grip that the dealer in Port Macquarie installed to get me going. If I have the same problem again I can do a quick change and get mobile again.
PM me if you want more information.
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| magpie | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,507 | | Location | : | NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 29 Oct 2011 - 06:45 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: dribt) | | |
Maxxie,
Great write up and great photos . I think you have hit on what this forum is all about , people helping others !.
Good work .
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 29 Oct 2011 - 08:42 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: dribt) | | | Nice fix. The more ways we have to fix this prob is for the better. Its a real bummer to have to top the ride for such a simple problem. I still have a fix to post once I catch hold of the bike we fixed.
If anyone has a busted one I would like to have it. (Costs paid of course)
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| EnGage | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Oct 2011 - 14:31 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: dribt) | | |
dribt wrote:
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I do not want to disrespect the solutions that others have posted - I applaud their iniative and creativity .
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Creativity is what its all about when you are stuck on the side of the road and the only thing between you and having your ride taken to some local shop on a flatbed truck is a fix like this
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| DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Oct 2011 - 14:46 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: mat1600) | | |
mat1600 wrote:
Nice fix. The more ways we have to fix this prob is for the better. Its a real bummer to have to top the ride for such a simple problem. I still have a fix to post once I catch hold of the bike we fixed.
If anyone has a busted one I would like to have it. (Costs paid of course)
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You want the busted throttle side grip? I'll send you mine if Triumph will replace it. I somehow missed the post by
EnGage where his dealer took care of him. (psychological blindside?) Must be a well known problem. I'll take it down today, now that I'm on the
road again. If they will give me a new one, you may have the old.
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| FTL40 | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 13/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,122 | | Location | : | massachusetts, United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Oct 2011 - 18:55 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: DizzE) | | | dealer took care of mine for me, and i am the one who installed the grips
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 29 Oct 2011 - 19:16 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: DizzE) | | |
DizzE wrote:
mat1600 wrote:
Nice fix. The more ways we have to fix this prob is for the better. Its a real bummer to have to top the ride for such a simple problem. I still have a fix to post once I catch hold of the bike we fixed.
If anyone has a busted one I would like to have it. (Costs paid of course)
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You want the busted throttle side grip? I'll send you mine if Triumph will replace it. I somehow missed the post by
EnGage where his dealer took care of him. (psychological blindside?) Must be a well known problem. I'll take it down today, now that I'm on the
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Its for a pattern to make an Ali or stainless version.
Might be cheaper just to get a new one from here - what with the shipping costs. Not sure just how much a new one is.
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| DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| xmoor | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 15/12/2011 | | Posts | : | 82 | | Location | : | Instow, North Devon, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 30 Dec 2011 - 12:51 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: DizzE) | | | Im another victim of the busted heated grip exactly identical piece broke.
lucky i was home & not on the road miles from anywhere
my fix was to put back on the original grip dealer had passed back to me . i know that meant breaking the wires which i taped up but at least im back on the road 
informed dealer this morning & hopefully will get a free replacement. I thought from a couple of posts that the new grips now were more reliable these are less than 2 months old, its just not acceptable these days to have such crap parts that cost £145
regards (a not very happy) xmoor
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| DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Dec 2011 - 15:43 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: xmoor) | | | You must have gotten some old inventory. The new grips are reported to have a nylon insert or something you can see
when you install them.
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| EnGage | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Dec 2011 - 17:59 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: DizzE) | | |
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You must have gotten some old inventory. The new grips are reported to have a nylon insert or something you can see
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One of the guys I ride with says his new heated grips are white where the cable is held. Perhaps that is the change, however, the new grips my dealer installed look the same as the ones they replaced...
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| xmoor | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 15/12/2011 | | Posts | : | 82 | | Location | : | Instow, North Devon, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 30 Dec 2011 - 19:48 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: EnGage) | | | thanks for the info Dizze & Engage , I think i will phone my nearest triumph main dealer & see if they give me an update on any changes made recently
for now tho i must remember not to switch on grips however cold it may be......
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| EnGage | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Dec 2011 - 23:35 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: xmoor) | | | xmoor wrote:
thanks for the info Dizze & Engage , I think i will phone my nearest triumph main dealer & see if they give me an update on any changes made recently
for now tho i must remember not to switch on grips however cold it may be......
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I won't travel ant distance again without a spare grip or at least a couple of zip ties, which do make for a lasting repair.
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| xmoor | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 15/12/2011 | | Posts | : | 82 | | Location | : | Instow, North Devon, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 01 Jan 2012 - 13:43 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: EnGage) | | | ok so i contacted my closest Triumph main dealer (60 miles away)
they were very polite & offered to pick up my bike fit new grips etc,
then went on to say the only instances these grips have broken are due to incorrect fitment ? 
thats when we kinda dissagreed  I mentioned the many many other breakages from riders on this forum & no way can they all be incorrectly fitted
also they didnt seem to know if the newer stock are stronger ?
trouble is I am talking to the guys in suits behind the computer laden desks & not the mechanics in the workshop, grrrrrrrrr
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| DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Jan 2012 - 16:46 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: xmoor) | | | Yes, that is the problem. We know that selling is to lie for a living. I lied like a mo'fo' for many years to earn in sales.
Just remember they are trained, as I was, to listen very closely and tell you only what you have patterned. Only what you want to hear.
Will this void the warranty?
Of course.
Heard of this before?
(tap dance, look over there),
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| zolti | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 01 Jan 2012 - 18:12 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: DizzE) | | |
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| zolti | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 18 Feb 2012 - 08:28 Post title : Re: Busted Throttle! (Re: xmoor) | | |
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then went on to say the only instances these grips have broken are due to incorrect fitment ?
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i rang hinckley for an answer as i have some but not fitted yet and wanted to make sure there was no comeback
they said there is no differences to the new stock and the cause of the failure is a reduction in throttle slack,
if you are fitting your own make sure there is about 5mm slack
seems they need a bit more than the stock set up
so if you have any, check for slack when they are hot, if you then have a failure they will have to rethink.
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